April 13, 2004

Truth or Photoshop?

I'm sceptical of this:

[Via Silt.]

Update: Turns out my scepticism is unfounded. This page confirms that it's legit. You can purchase products so labelled at the aforelinked-to website. And I thought it was weird when I bought a T-shirt in Canada labelled "MADE IN TURKEY / FAIT EN DINDE".

Posted 2004/04/13 22:31 (Tue) | TrackBack

For what it's worth, the boss of the manufacturer is an unabashed librul subversive and styles himself Pr?sident-Directeur G?n?ral (no doubt to ?parter les francophobes), so I'm inclined to think it's a genuine anti-Bush computer sleeve...

Posted by: David at April 14, 2004 2:16

Hmmm... Turns out it is legit...

Posted by: Scott Martens at April 14, 2004 10:22

"Peru" is a name for Turkey in Spanish or Portuguese, or some dialects anyway. I always thought there should be a funny bilingual joke there, but I never was quite able to put it together.

Posted by: Zizka at April 15, 2004 4:48

Names for turkey

Names for turkey

In the E. Hemisphere the turkey is normally thought of as a foreign bird, but is credited to India (most often, including in Turkish), Calicut,Turkey, Egypt, Holland, Ethiopia, and Peru (Portuguese but seemingly not Spanish).

The W. Hemisphere where the bird originated has many different names. Seemingly the bird travelled to Africa from America and thence to India, North Africa, and Europe, possibly via the Dutch.

"Dinde" presumably means "from India".

Posted by: Zizka at April 15, 2004 5:05

Zizka - poule d'inde is the etymological origin of dinde that I was taught in school. It seems the word dates back to the days when all of the Western Hemisphere was "The Indies", so I don't think modern India had anything to do with it.

Posted by: Scott Martens at April 15, 2004 14:05

There is confusion in the link about the West vs. the East Indies. Passage through Africa and the middle east seems likely though. The "Guinea fowl" of Africa was confused with the Turkey at times, according to one account.

American products did reach Europe in both directions (via Atlantic and Pacific), ketchup (American tomatoes, Filipino or other Asian recipe and name) being an example of the Pacific transmission, though there are better ones I'm sure. There was also a Portuguese trade straight across from Brazil to Africa. What I mean is that European colonial trade was not necessarily radial, but a network, so that an America bird theoretically could reach Europe via either Africa or India. I'll have to look into that. But in Muslim languages the word "hind" is used, which I doubt means the West Indies.

Was the musician "D'Indy" really named "Turkey?"

Posted by: Zizka at April 15, 2004 19:46

Two comments on this.

1) americanapologyshirt.com has shirts with that slogan in several languages, so I don't think the people who work for Tom Bihn came up with it on their own.

2) The "Guinea Pig" is the "Cochon d'Inde" in French. It's also the "Meerschwein" in German and the "Morskaya Svinka" in Russian (both meaning "Sea pig"). I am not aware of any names for the Guinea Pig that accurately indicate whence it comes.

Posted by: Cryptic Ned at May 3, 2004 3:16
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