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		<title>By: W. N. E. Winters</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/whos-left-from-the-class-of-91/comment-page-1/#comment-26512</link>
		<dc:creator>W. N. E. Winters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason, when I think of Djukanovic, the first thing that comes to mind is Vladimir Meciar. 

Perhaps I am just filling in the blanks here. Perhaps there really is little comparison between Djukanovic&#039;s Montenegro and Meciar&#039;s Slovakia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, when I think of Djukanovic, the first thing that comes to mind is Vladimir Meciar. </p>
<p>Perhaps I am just filling in the blanks here. Perhaps there really is little comparison between Djukanovic&#8217;s Montenegro and Meciar&#8217;s Slovakia.</p>
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		<title>By: quickbeam</title>
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		<dc:creator>quickbeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 03:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Djukanovic - in addition to being, in my opinion, a true political talent, is blessed with the most inept opposition one could imagine existing in a functioning democracy. Far from offering some kind of coherent alternative to Djukanovic&#039;s ruling DPS, the opposition is a  bunch of guys with comically retrograde ideas, whose entire raison d&#039;etre up until 2006 was preventing Montenegro&#039;s independence, and who have been in search of a political program ever since. But if anything, this makes Djukanovic&#039;s progression from socialist autocrat to a genuine liberal democrat that much more impressive - absent any electoral pressure, he could have easily become another Voronin. 

Re: Mesic, there are persistent rumors that he has every intention of remaining active in Croatia&#039;s political life after he steps down from the presidency in a few months. The question, however, is what form that activity would take. Mesic certainly sees himself as not only capable of leading the left bloc to victory, especially now that Sanader&#039;s sudden exit has made the prospect of early elections more likely. It&#039;s less certain that the SDP sees him as the right choice to lead them to victory, but they can surely see the advantage in having the country&#039;s most enduringly popular figure on their side. Much will depend on the outcome of the presidential elections - if the HDZ ekes out another win, Mesic might find himself staying relevant well into the next decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Djukanovic &#8211; in addition to being, in my opinion, a true political talent, is blessed with the most inept opposition one could imagine existing in a functioning democracy. Far from offering some kind of coherent alternative to Djukanovic&#8217;s ruling DPS, the opposition is a  bunch of guys with comically retrograde ideas, whose entire raison d&#8217;etre up until 2006 was preventing Montenegro&#8217;s independence, and who have been in search of a political program ever since. But if anything, this makes Djukanovic&#8217;s progression from socialist autocrat to a genuine liberal democrat that much more impressive &#8211; absent any electoral pressure, he could have easily become another Voronin. </p>
<p>Re: Mesic, there are persistent rumors that he has every intention of remaining active in Croatia&#8217;s political life after he steps down from the presidency in a few months. The question, however, is what form that activity would take. Mesic certainly sees himself as not only capable of leading the left bloc to victory, especially now that Sanader&#8217;s sudden exit has made the prospect of early elections more likely. It&#8217;s less certain that the SDP sees him as the right choice to lead them to victory, but they can surely see the advantage in having the country&#8217;s most enduringly popular figure on their side. Much will depend on the outcome of the presidential elections &#8211; if the HDZ ekes out another win, Mesic might find himself staying relevant well into the next decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Latvian abroad, that&#039;s interesting!  I knew Savisaar only as the Mayor of Talinn who had spoken out in favor of keeping the Bronze Soldier.  I didn&#039;t realize he could still be Prime Minister again!

Didzis, it&#039;s not a bad thing for a country to have boring leaders...


Doug M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Latvian abroad, that&#8217;s interesting!  I knew Savisaar only as the Mayor of Talinn who had spoken out in favor of keeping the Bronze Soldier.  I didn&#8217;t realize he could still be Prime Minister again!</p>
<p>Didzis, it&#8217;s not a bad thing for a country to have boring leaders&#8230;</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
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		<title>By: Jussi Jalonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jussi Jalonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Godmanis was mentioned as a past example, there&#039;s also Arnold Rüütel from Estonia. Rüütel could - well, almost, stretching the definitions just a little bit - challenge Stipe Mesic as another leader with the &quot;rare distinction of having been head of state both before and after the fall of Communism&quot;.

Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Estonian SSR, 1983; Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Estonian SSR, 1990; Head of State in the newly-independent Estonia until 1992; and finally, President of Estonia, 2001-2006.

As the April 1996 issue of &quot;Playboy&quot; already stated: &quot;The best hot new thing you can be is old, in the sense of being so old that you can be rediscovered - in other words, retro. This explains why the hot new star is John Travolta and the hot new action hero is James Bond and the hot new look is from the Sixties. Retro also explains why the hot new peace dividend (freedom) in eastern Europe is allowing voters in fledgling democracies to elect ex-communists&quot;.


Cheers,

J. J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Godmanis was mentioned as a past example, there&#8217;s also Arnold Rüütel from Estonia. Rüütel could &#8211; well, almost, stretching the definitions just a little bit &#8211; challenge Stipe Mesic as another leader with the &#8220;rare distinction of having been head of state both before and after the fall of Communism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Estonian SSR, 1983; Chairman of the Supreme Council of the Estonian SSR, 1990; Head of State in the newly-independent Estonia until 1992; and finally, President of Estonia, 2001-2006.</p>
<p>As the April 1996 issue of &#8220;Playboy&#8221; already stated: &#8220;The best hot new thing you can be is old, in the sense of being so old that you can be rediscovered &#8211; in other words, retro. This explains why the hot new star is John Travolta and the hot new action hero is James Bond and the hot new look is from the Sixties. Retro also explains why the hot new peace dividend (freedom) in eastern Europe is allowing voters in fledgling democracies to elect ex-communists&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>J. J.</p>
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		<title>By: eni</title>
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		<dc:creator>eni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GUD, it would be a pitty to focus the discussion on Berisha in this otherwise interesting post for i think he is one of the most uninteresting personalities mentioned here. His qualities (a mix of clanish intelligence combined with patriarchalism and complete lack of visions) have been/are common among many Albanian rulers and commoners. 

However, to your points. Albania entered Nato neither because of Berisha nor because of fulfilling any standards. It was a strategic decision due to the role of Albanians in the region. Paradoxally, the decision to NATO membership was taken only some weeks after the explosion of Gerdec (a major corruption scandal involving the minister of defence and some high level officials).

After the Albanian elections some Nato officials expressed embarrasment and rightly remarked that NATO is not an exclusive club of democratic saints but a military alliance that has to make pragmatic decisions. I personally think that Nato membership might indeed help Albania in accelerating the establishment of democratic standards and is generally a good thing for Albania&#039;s democracy. Democratic standarts were however not the reason why Albania was offered membership.

The counting process was to a small but crucial extent politically manipulated. The counting in the election center of Fier was blocked several days by Berisha&#039;s commisioners without any legal reason to prevent the socialists from taking a crucial mandate. Berisha used those days to blackmail and coerce LSI into coalition with him (the alternate left coalition). Legal requests from the opposition to recount some of the election centers were turned down from the central electoral commision (which Berisha controls). Influencing the counting process to achieve coalition goals is enough political manipulation to me but much worse is refusing to recount votes especially with Berishas history. I mean, the refusal of recounting was a good enough reason for massive protests in Iran. Yes, these manipulation techniques were much finer then what Berisha used to do in the 90-ies. They remain however unacceptable by any democratic standard. 

Put shortly. 
a)Berisha is simply uncapable to organise fair elections. These elections were fairer because of his weak position and the massive pressure from the opposition. 

b)By not fulfilling simple administrative tasks (biometric passes, etc) Berisha managed to let Serbia surpass Albania in the process of european integration and shengen admission. Do not forget that Serbia has had 4 wars, almost a decade of economic blocades in the last 20 years and it still suffers political isolation due to Kosovo. 

c)Last but not least, Berisha is politically too weak to push major reforms or to combat curruption. He is so week that he has actually succumbed to it. Even wholehearted attemts for the right reforms cannot be implemented by Berisha for his opponents have an easy play by calling his actions a return to his former methods. He just has a dark history behind him, sorry. All his last term was about, was a personal political rehabilitation (behaving, no more journalists&#039; kidnapping etc). Personal rehabilitation of Berisha is however hardly what one of the poorest countries in Europe can afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GUD, it would be a pitty to focus the discussion on Berisha in this otherwise interesting post for i think he is one of the most uninteresting personalities mentioned here. His qualities (a mix of clanish intelligence combined with patriarchalism and complete lack of visions) have been/are common among many Albanian rulers and commoners. </p>
<p>However, to your points. Albania entered Nato neither because of Berisha nor because of fulfilling any standards. It was a strategic decision due to the role of Albanians in the region. Paradoxally, the decision to NATO membership was taken only some weeks after the explosion of Gerdec (a major corruption scandal involving the minister of defence and some high level officials).</p>
<p>After the Albanian elections some Nato officials expressed embarrasment and rightly remarked that NATO is not an exclusive club of democratic saints but a military alliance that has to make pragmatic decisions. I personally think that Nato membership might indeed help Albania in accelerating the establishment of democratic standards and is generally a good thing for Albania&#8217;s democracy. Democratic standarts were however not the reason why Albania was offered membership.</p>
<p>The counting process was to a small but crucial extent politically manipulated. The counting in the election center of Fier was blocked several days by Berisha&#8217;s commisioners without any legal reason to prevent the socialists from taking a crucial mandate. Berisha used those days to blackmail and coerce LSI into coalition with him (the alternate left coalition). Legal requests from the opposition to recount some of the election centers were turned down from the central electoral commision (which Berisha controls). Influencing the counting process to achieve coalition goals is enough political manipulation to me but much worse is refusing to recount votes especially with Berishas history. I mean, the refusal of recounting was a good enough reason for massive protests in Iran. Yes, these manipulation techniques were much finer then what Berisha used to do in the 90-ies. They remain however unacceptable by any democratic standard. </p>
<p>Put shortly.<br />
a)Berisha is simply uncapable to organise fair elections. These elections were fairer because of his weak position and the massive pressure from the opposition. </p>
<p>b)By not fulfilling simple administrative tasks (biometric passes, etc) Berisha managed to let Serbia surpass Albania in the process of european integration and shengen admission. Do not forget that Serbia has had 4 wars, almost a decade of economic blocades in the last 20 years and it still suffers political isolation due to Kosovo. </p>
<p>c)Last but not least, Berisha is politically too weak to push major reforms or to combat curruption. He is so week that he has actually succumbed to it. Even wholehearted attemts for the right reforms cannot be implemented by Berisha for his opponents have an easy play by calling his actions a return to his former methods. He just has a dark history behind him, sorry. All his last term was about, was a personal political rehabilitation (behaving, no more journalists&#8217; kidnapping etc). Personal rehabilitation of Berisha is however hardly what one of the poorest countries in Europe can afford.</p>
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		<title>By: Didzis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Didzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you had written the article half a year earlier, then Ivars Godmanis of Latvia would make the list, too. He was the Prime Minister when Latvia became independent fro USSR in 1991 and somewhat unexpectedly he was a Prime Minister again from Dec 2007 - Feb 2008. That said, he is unlikely to make to the very top again. His nomination was a sign of desperation, when the President could not find anyone to take up the job after the mess that Kalvitis (and everyone else before him) had made. 

But I am curious of what you would have written about Mr Godmanis. Your Central Asian and Balkan characters are much more &quot;interesting&quot; and easier to write about and cathegorize than many leaders in Central Europe and the Baltic States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you had written the article half a year earlier, then Ivars Godmanis of Latvia would make the list, too. He was the Prime Minister when Latvia became independent fro USSR in 1991 and somewhat unexpectedly he was a Prime Minister again from Dec 2007 &#8211; Feb 2008. That said, he is unlikely to make to the very top again. His nomination was a sign of desperation, when the President could not find anyone to take up the job after the mess that Kalvitis (and everyone else before him) had made. </p>
<p>But I am curious of what you would have written about Mr Godmanis. Your Central Asian and Balkan characters are much more &#8220;interesting&#8221; and easier to write about and cathegorize than many leaders in Central Europe and the Baltic States.</p>
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		<title>By: bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, c&#039;mon.. no honorable mention for hereditary rule in Azerbaijan??</description>
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		<title>By: Official Russia &#124; CEE, Central Asia: Post-Communist Leaders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Official Russia &#124; CEE, Central Asia: Post-Communist Leaders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fistful of Euros writes about &#8220;the first generation of post-Communist leaders&#8221;: &#8220;Well, here’s a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Latvian abroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Latvian abroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Related category would be: out of power leaders who are likely to come back as the PM or the president. One is Edgar Savisaar, Estonia&#039;s first post-independence PM (1990-1991). He is now leading the biggest opposition party in Estonia. And, if the financial crisis makes Estonians to rethink their support for the current right-of-center coalition in the next elections, Savisaar could be back as the PM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related category would be: out of power leaders who are likely to come back as the PM or the president. One is Edgar Savisaar, Estonia&#8217;s first post-independence PM (1990-1991). He is now leading the biggest opposition party in Estonia. And, if the financial crisis makes Estonians to rethink their support for the current right-of-center coalition in the next elections, Savisaar could be back as the PM.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; CEE, Central Asia: Post-Communist Leaders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; CEE, Central Asia: Post-Communist Leaders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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