Comments on: The Tulip Revolution http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/transition-and-accession/the-tulip-revolution/ European Opinion Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:45:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: DoDo http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/transition-and-accession/the-tulip-revolution/#comment-7787 DoDo Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:30:05 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1220#comment-7787 I wrote: the list of opposition leaders is a list of former cadres sidelined by the now deposed President. I add, the situation reminds me a little of the 1989 Romanian Revolution and Iliescu's power grabble afterwards. I wrote: the list of opposition leaders is a list of former cadres sidelined by the now deposed President.

I add, the situation reminds me a little of the 1989 Romanian Revolution and Iliescu’s power grabble afterwards.

]]> By: DoDo http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/transition-and-accession/the-tulip-revolution/#comment-7786 DoDo Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:28:16 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1220#comment-7786 David: peaceful? EU-Serf, I'm not sure in this instance we see the end of authoritarianism - the list of opposition leaders is a list of former cadres sidelined by the now deposed President. John Emerson: my guess is that his father was an ex-Party member, bourgeois though he seemed That isn't a contradiction: the Party elite effectively turned into a new burgeois elite during the years. This is most apparent in the formerly communist members of the EU (like my home Hungary), where many former cadres became owners with privatisation, and post-communist 'centre-left' parties are markedly pro-business. David: peaceful?

EU-Serf, I’m not sure in this instance we see the end of authoritarianism - the list of opposition leaders is a list of former cadres sidelined by the now deposed President.

John Emerson: my guess is that his father was an ex-Party member, bourgeois though he seemed

That isn’t a contradiction: the Party elite effectively turned into a new burgeois elite during the years.

This is most apparent in the formerly communist members of the EU (like my home Hungary), where many former cadres became owners with privatisation, and post-communist ‘centre-left’ parties are markedly pro-business.

]]> By: John Emerson http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/transition-and-accession/the-tulip-revolution/#comment-7785 John Emerson Sat, 26 Mar 2005 20:31:55 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1220#comment-7785 I tutored a Kyrgyz H.S. student last year. His family were importers. For all of them, travelling to Russia and neighboring Turkic nations was routine. His mother routinely travelled to Saudi Arabia and Istanbul on business. His uncle travelled routinely to Beijing. My tutee was learning English and presumably was being groomed as the US rep. He and his younger sister took a vacation in Thailand recently -- I have no idea why. He didn't like any food except Russian and Central Asian food, including kumiss (alcoholic milk beverage). To me it was interesting because they were effectively deciding between five different cultural zones -- Islamic, Russian, Chinese, pan-Turkic, and American. For my tutee and his family, the Russian identification was the strongest -- he was enthusiastic about Pushkin, for instance. (But my guess is that his father was an ex-Party member, bourgeois though he seemed.) I tutored a Kyrgyz H.S. student last year. His family were importers. For all of them, travelling to Russia and neighboring Turkic nations was routine. His mother routinely travelled to Saudi Arabia and Istanbul on business. His uncle travelled routinely to Beijing. My tutee was learning English and presumably was being groomed as the US rep. He and his younger sister took a vacation in Thailand recently — I have no idea why.

He didn’t like any food except Russian and Central Asian food, including kumiss (alcoholic milk beverage).

To me it was interesting because they were effectively deciding between five different cultural zones — Islamic, Russian, Chinese, pan-Turkic, and American. For my tutee and his family, the Russian identification was the strongest — he was enthusiastic about Pushkin, for instance. (But my guess is that his father was an ex-Party member, bourgeois though he seemed.)

]]> By: EU-Serf http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/transition-and-accession/the-tulip-revolution/#comment-7784 EU-Serf Fri, 25 Mar 2005 22:49:51 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1220#comment-7784 There is the worry that the two sides are largely demarcated by ethnicity which could spell trouble. It is nice to see the end of Authoritarian regimes though. There is the worry that the two sides are largely demarcated by ethnicity which could spell trouble. It is nice to see the end of Authoritarian regimes though.

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