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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2005 07:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Algeria, Suez, Kenya, Western Sahara
The western european slate is not quite empty.
But in last consequence this is a political question. Europe allows its members to not prosecute ordinary criminals.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Algeria, Suez, Kenya, Western Sahara<br />
The western european slate is not quite empty.<br />
But in last consequence this is a political question. Europe allows its members to not prosecute ordinary criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Mar 2005 06:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By speeding up the process of Croatia joining EU, they would easily defeat those Croatian forces which are not at the level of modern European standards. Instead, by playing Gotovina card, they actually fuel support for those extreme right wing forces.

Speaking as someone who may be totally misinformed, expecting the Croatian government's actions to be marked by the rule of law as a prerequisite for membership doesn't seem unfair. And, since neither Austria nor France has waged a nationalist war of independence ending in the wholesale expulsion of minorities of late, your comparison doesn't quite work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By speeding up the process of Croatia joining EU, they would easily defeat those Croatian forces which are not at the level of modern European standards. Instead, by playing Gotovina card, they actually fuel support for those extreme right wing forces.</p>
<p>Speaking as someone who may be totally misinformed, expecting the Croatian government&#8217;s actions to be marked by the rule of law as a prerequisite for membership doesn&#8217;t seem unfair. And, since neither Austria nor France has waged a nationalist war of independence ending in the wholesale expulsion of minorities of late, your comparison doesn&#8217;t quite work.</p>
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		<title>By: inferior european</title>
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		<dc:creator>inferior european</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 10:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politicians always bend the truth, so holding Croatian PM responsible for spinning is a ridiculous argument to make. 

There is nothing to argue about Gotovina and Croatian politicians' idiotic desire to wink to the extreme right wing (which might be loud but certainly is not as big of a factor as is in, e.g., Austria or France). 

However, I am puzzled by the logic of European politicians in this case. By speeding up the process of Croatia joining EU, they would easily defeat those Croatian forces which are not at the level of modern European standards. Instead, by playing Gotovina card, they actually fuel support for those extreme right wing forces. This might be the actual intent of EU  since maybe there is no real interest for further EU expansion at this point. The miscalculation here is that this course of action is likely to create more problems in the region in the long run, leaving Croatia and others out of the EU, as well as creating a long term potential for serious instabilities  that will happen a bit too close to EU to be ignored. 

One would think that at least some of those working in Brussels have some brains. Apparently not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politicians always bend the truth, so holding Croatian PM responsible for spinning is a ridiculous argument to make. </p>
<p>There is nothing to argue about Gotovina and Croatian politicians&#8217; idiotic desire to wink to the extreme right wing (which might be loud but certainly is not as big of a factor as is in, e.g., Austria or France). </p>
<p>However, I am puzzled by the logic of European politicians in this case. By speeding up the process of Croatia joining EU, they would easily defeat those Croatian forces which are not at the level of modern European standards. Instead, by playing Gotovina card, they actually fuel support for those extreme right wing forces. This might be the actual intent of EU  since maybe there is no real interest for further EU expansion at this point. The miscalculation here is that this course of action is likely to create more problems in the region in the long run, leaving Croatia and others out of the EU, as well as creating a long term potential for serious instabilities  that will happen a bit too close to EU to be ignored. </p>
<p>One would think that at least some of those working in Brussels have some brains. Apparently not.</p>
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		<title>By: Dragan Antulov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dragan Antulov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't doubt that Sanader has charm and ability to lie with straight face. He spent part of 1990s as Split theatre manager. 

At this stage, the best chance for Sanader - apart from Gotovina miraculously appearing - is in far right and Eurosceptic loons making a killing on the upcoming local and regional elections in Croatia. Sanader might use their success as an argument for quick admission - only that can prevent the palpable rise of Euroscepticism and anti-European feelings in general (see my blog for the results of latest opinion polls).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt that Sanader has charm and ability to lie with straight face. He spent part of 1990s as Split theatre manager. </p>
<p>At this stage, the best chance for Sanader - apart from Gotovina miraculously appearing - is in far right and Eurosceptic loons making a killing on the upcoming local and regional elections in Croatia. Sanader might use their success as an argument for quick admission - only that can prevent the palpable rise of Euroscepticism and anti-European feelings in general (see my blog for the results of latest opinion polls).</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 03:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another excellent and informative post.  Thank you.

I will note that "included in our government" can be stretched a bit.  The former Romanian PSD government had an intermittent minority partner, PUR, which was "included" or not depending on whether you considered certain minor posts -- head of the Agency for Small and Medium Enterprises, say, or Secretary of State for Tourism -- as being part of the government.  So if Sanader has a Serb or two tucked away, he might be off the hook on that one.

But yeah, politicians from the former YU are weirdly willing (and able) to lie in front of large audiences with a straight face.  Djindjic, rest his soul, was very good at it.  Slobo, of course, was the master.  And still is; he lies his ass off, vigorously, loudly, and with great indignation, pretty much every day in the Hague.

So, by regional standards Sanader's being positively straightforward.

Anyhow.  Big picture: what happens next?  Assume no Gotovina.  Will Croatia not join in 1/1/07?  What are the next steps?

curious,


Doug M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another excellent and informative post.  Thank you.</p>
<p>I will note that &#8220;included in our government&#8221; can be stretched a bit.  The former Romanian PSD government had an intermittent minority partner, PUR, which was &#8220;included&#8221; or not depending on whether you considered certain minor posts &#8212; head of the Agency for Small and Medium Enterprises, say, or Secretary of State for Tourism &#8212; as being part of the government.  So if Sanader has a Serb or two tucked away, he might be off the hook on that one.</p>
<p>But yeah, politicians from the former YU are weirdly willing (and able) to lie in front of large audiences with a straight face.  Djindjic, rest his soul, was very good at it.  Slobo, of course, was the master.  And still is; he lies his ass off, vigorously, loudly, and with great indignation, pretty much every day in the Hague.</p>
<p>So, by regional standards Sanader&#8217;s being positively straightforward.</p>
<p>Anyhow.  Big picture: what happens next?  Assume no Gotovina.  Will Croatia not join in 1/1/07?  What are the next steps?</p>
<p>curious,</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
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		<title>By: Seesaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seesaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this full, and -I hope- honest report. Talking to the Croat TV HRT Mr Sanader continued with the same story; i.e. only two-three EU members were against, etc. etc. But in the evening news HRT showed how the very Mr. Sanader 4 years ago firmly declared Gotovina should never go to Hague. 
As long as Croat politicians continue with their support to Gotovina (open or conceled) EU ministers decision was the only possible one. 
Mr Haradinaj was Prime Minister of Kosovo and went to Hague, two Bosniak generals are in Hague, why should Gotovina be spared? 
Let him prove that no crime was comitted during Oluja. But let him prove that in Hague!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this full, and -I hope- honest report. Talking to the Croat TV HRT Mr Sanader continued with the same story; i.e. only two-three EU members were against, etc. etc. But in the evening news HRT showed how the very Mr. Sanader 4 years ago firmly declared Gotovina should never go to Hague.<br />
As long as Croat politicians continue with their support to Gotovina (open or conceled) EU ministers decision was the only possible one.<br />
Mr Haradinaj was Prime Minister of Kosovo and went to Hague, two Bosniak generals are in Hague, why should Gotovina be spared?<br />
Let him prove that no crime was comitted during Oluja. But let him prove that in Hague!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another terrific post, Mr. Gonzo. It is persistently astonishing to me -- as an American -- how easily Balkan leaders can waltz into DC and glower, pout, bluff and lie to reporters, Congressmen and think tankers. Most of the members of the audience for the exhibitions just don't do the simplest homework to prepare. It is more surprising to find -- via your comments -- that the EP has some similar characters. Thanks for your candor and wit in tackling it. Our papers don't cover these issues in nearly the depth that they deserve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another terrific post, Mr. Gonzo. It is persistently astonishing to me &#8212; as an American &#8212; how easily Balkan leaders can waltz into DC and glower, pout, bluff and lie to reporters, Congressmen and think tankers. Most of the members of the audience for the exhibitions just don&#8217;t do the simplest homework to prepare. It is more surprising to find &#8212; via your comments &#8212; that the EP has some similar characters. Thanks for your candor and wit in tackling it. Our papers don&#8217;t cover these issues in nearly the depth that they deserve.</p>
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