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		<title>By: Maynard Handley</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/well/#comment-5258</link>
		<dc:creator>Maynard Handley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2004 02:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2004_10_24.php#003835

Gee, it turns out the munitions were there when the Americans arrived, as shown by a variety of different lines of evidence, of which the one above is only the strongest. I guess my point about idiots and the lying liars they listen to was valid after all.
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<p>Gee, it turns out the munitions were there when the Americans arrived, as shown by a variety of different lines of evidence, of which the one above is only the strongest. I guess my point about idiots and the lying liars they listen to was valid after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...subservient anglophilia...

Not in Hollywood. The Brit is either the butler or the super-baddy :-)</description>
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<p>Not in Hollywood. The Brit is either the butler or the super-baddy <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Michael D</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/well/#comment-5256</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Oct 2004 20:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Hey, GW, look at Europe: You don?t win wars, you stop them before they destroy you."

I don't know what's sadder about that comment: The ignorance of history it demonstrates, or the European post-war trauma that it reflects.

My bad. Ambiguous sentence. The context of the paragraph was the war on terror, it was wars on terror that aren't won. No excuse for sloppy writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, GW, look at Europe: You don?t win wars, you stop them before they destroy you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s sadder about that comment: The ignorance of history it demonstrates, or the European post-war trauma that it reflects.</p>
<p>My bad. Ambiguous sentence. The context of the paragraph was the war on terror, it was wars on terror that aren&#8217;t won. No excuse for sloppy writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/well/#comment-5255</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip about Walter Russell Mead's Special Providence. As shamefully chauvinist as this may seem, Niall Ferguson makes a fairly convincing case in: Empire - How Britain Made the Modern World (Penguin Books, 2004), if we tot up the downstream consequences of common law, parliamentary government, Isaac Newton, the practice of central banking, the steam engine, industrialisation, electric induction, James Maxwell's unification of the theories of electricity and magnetism, Jenner's smallpox vaccine, Lister and antiseptics, the discovery of the electron, splitting the atom, television, radar, jet engines, Flemming and anti-biotics, Tim Berners-Lee and the web etc, without mentioning Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, JS Mill, Maynard Keynes and an illustrious literature. Didn't President Clinton take to quoting Lord Palmerston as a guide for America's foreign policy?

"We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual and those interests it is our duty to follow"? - from: http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/page149.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the tip about Walter Russell Mead&#8217;s Special Providence. As shamefully chauvinist as this may seem, Niall Ferguson makes a fairly convincing case in: Empire - How Britain Made the Modern World (Penguin Books, 2004), if we tot up the downstream consequences of common law, parliamentary government, Isaac Newton, the practice of central banking, the steam engine, industrialisation, electric induction, James Maxwell&#8217;s unification of the theories of electricity and magnetism, Jenner&#8217;s smallpox vaccine, Lister and antiseptics, the discovery of the electron, splitting the atom, television, radar, jet engines, Flemming and anti-biotics, Tim Berners-Lee and the web etc, without mentioning Adam Smith, David Hume, David Ricardo, JS Mill, Maynard Keynes and an illustrious literature. Didn&#8217;t President Clinton take to quoting Lord Palmerston as a guide for America&#8217;s foreign policy?</p>
<p>&#8220;We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual and those interests it is our duty to follow&#8221;? - from: <a href="http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/page149.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.number-10.gov.uk/output/page149.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn't intending to defend GWB (short may he reign) or current Pentagon planners. Was recalling (from history books rather than experience) the alleged Brit quip in WWII that the "Americans are our Italians." Somehow I don't think so.

Chap 1 of Walter Russell Mead's Special Providence is a thorough defense of the long arc of US diplomacy. In short, though, Brits are supercilious because they are no longer in charge. (To use as broad a brush as was done in the jokes. I also find the subservient anglophilia that I see so often on the US right weird and creepy. But that's a post of a different color.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t intending to defend GWB (short may he reign) or current Pentagon planners. Was recalling (from history books rather than experience) the alleged Brit quip in WWII that the &#8220;Americans are our Italians.&#8221; Somehow I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>Chap 1 of Walter Russell Mead&#8217;s Special Providence is a thorough defense of the long arc of US diplomacy. In short, though, Brits are supercilious because they are no longer in charge. (To use as broad a brush as was done in the jokes. I also find the subservient anglophilia that I see so often on the US right weird and creepy. But that&#8217;s a post of a different color.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug: "Not much, including the British assumption of superiority without anything like evidence to back it up"

ROFL! The accumulating evidence of the pervasive incompetence of the Bush administration is widely reported in mainstream American media - like the Washington Post on the "disapprearance of nearly 400 tons of explosives in Iraq" - and by Americans on US-based blogs. It is hardly secret - are regular web surfers supposed not to notice? A few links are on display here above in the thread.

I've a long memory for political affairs, extending back to the end of FDR's administration, and can't recall a time when the American presidency was so universally reviled around the world with the possible and ominous exception of Nixon's second and mercifully brief presidency.

It is widely observed and even admitted that the Pentagon sent too few troops to Iraq to secure the peace after the invasion of Iraq and despite many prior warnings by informed commentators of the likelihood of increasing insurgency. And I certainly never expected to read charges against an American administration and military of extensive violations of the Geneva protocols.

Whatever happened?

Let's hope the Black Watch regiment arrives safely at its intended destination without an attack from either insurgents on the ground or a strike from the air by friendly forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug: &#8220;Not much, including the British assumption of superiority without anything like evidence to back it up&#8221;</p>
<p>ROFL! The accumulating evidence of the pervasive incompetence of the Bush administration is widely reported in mainstream American media - like the Washington Post on the &#8220;disapprearance of nearly 400 tons of explosives in Iraq&#8221; - and by Americans on US-based blogs. It is hardly secret - are regular web surfers supposed not to notice? A few links are on display here above in the thread.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a long memory for political affairs, extending back to the end of FDR&#8217;s administration, and can&#8217;t recall a time when the American presidency was so universally reviled around the world with the possible and ominous exception of Nixon&#8217;s second and mercifully brief presidency.</p>
<p>It is widely observed and even admitted that the Pentagon sent too few troops to Iraq to secure the peace after the invasion of Iraq and despite many prior warnings by informed commentators of the likelihood of increasing insurgency. And I certainly never expected to read charges against an American administration and military of extensive violations of the Geneva protocols.</p>
<p>Whatever happened?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope the Black Watch regiment arrives safely at its intended destination without an attack from either insurgents on the ground or a strike from the air by friendly forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not much, including the British assumption of superiority without anything like evidence to back it up.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diligent followers of recent news reports will note that the column of Black Watch troops, on progress from Basra to some point south of Baghdad to relieve American troops, is prominently displaying the Scots and Union flags. They may also recall that in Gulf War I, British forces suffered more fatal casualties from friendly (American) fire than from enemy action.

I mentioned this in a discussion group I belong to and a Brit, who served in WW2, related a wry army joke from those times: When the British bombed the Germans ducked, and the Germans ducked when the British bombed. When the Americans bombed, everyone ducked. Evidently, not much has changed since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diligent followers of recent news reports will note that the column of Black Watch troops, on progress from Basra to some point south of Baghdad to relieve American troops, is prominently displaying the Scots and Union flags. They may also recall that in Gulf War I, British forces suffered more fatal casualties from friendly (American) fire than from enemy action.</p>
<p>I mentioned this in a discussion group I belong to and a Brit, who served in WW2, related a wry army joke from those times: When the British bombed the Germans ducked, and the Germans ducked when the British bombed. When the Americans bombed, everyone ducked. Evidently, not much has changed since.</p>
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		<title>By: Crouton Republic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crouton Republic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Hey, GW, look at Europe: You don?t win wars, you stop them before they destroy you."

I don't know what's sadder about that comment: The ignorance of history it demonstrates, or the European post-war trauma that it reflects.

I'm not a Bush fan, and think Iraq was mostly a dumb idea.  But I hope like hell that this isn't what passes for enlightened criticism on the other side of the Atlantic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hey, GW, look at Europe: You don?t win wars, you stop them before they destroy you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s sadder about that comment: The ignorance of history it demonstrates, or the European post-war trauma that it reflects.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Bush fan, and think Iraq was mostly a dumb idea.  But I hope like hell that this isn&#8217;t what passes for enlightened criticism on the other side of the Atlantic.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2004 21:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"(AP) - One of the first U.S. military units to reach the Al-Qaqaa military installation south of Baghdad after the invasion of Iraq did not have orders to search for the 342 tonnes of explosives that are missing from the site, the unit spokesman said Tuesday. 

"When troops from the 101st Airborne Division's 2nd Brigade arrived at the Al-Qaqaa base a day or so after other coalition troops seized Baghdad on April 9, 2003, there were already looters throughout the facility, Lt.-Col. Fred Wellman, deputy public affairs officer for the unit, told The Associated Press.

"The soldiers 'secured the area they were in and looked in a limited amount of bunkers to ensure chemical weapons were not present in their area,' Wellman wrote in an e-mail message to The Associated Press. 'Bombs were found but not chemical weapons in that immediate area. 

"'Orders were not given from higher to search or to secure the facility or to search for HE type munitions, as they (high-explosive weapons) were everywhere in Iraq,' he wrote." 
- from: http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.html?id=5e1f5802-cced-4435-84f1-74215300c10a

Naturally, the Associated Press, the Canadians and the 101st Airborne are all part of the vast international conspiracy intent on discrediting God's representative on earth . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(AP) - One of the first U.S. military units to reach the Al-Qaqaa military installation south of Baghdad after the invasion of Iraq did not have orders to search for the 342 tonnes of explosives that are missing from the site, the unit spokesman said Tuesday. </p>
<p>&#8220;When troops from the 101st Airborne Division&#8217;s 2nd Brigade arrived at the Al-Qaqaa base a day or so after other coalition troops seized Baghdad on April 9, 2003, there were already looters throughout the facility, Lt.-Col. Fred Wellman, deputy public affairs officer for the unit, told The Associated Press.</p>
<p>&#8220;The soldiers &#8217;secured the area they were in and looked in a limited amount of bunkers to ensure chemical weapons were not present in their area,&#8217; Wellman wrote in an e-mail message to The Associated Press. &#8216;Bombs were found but not chemical weapons in that immediate area. </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Orders were not given from higher to search or to secure the facility or to search for HE type munitions, as they (high-explosive weapons) were everywhere in Iraq,&#8217; he wrote.&#8221;<br />
- from: <a href="http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.html?id=5e1f5802-cced-4435-84f1-74215300c10a" rel="nofollow">http://www.canada.com/news/world/story.html?id=5e1f5802-cced-4435-84f1-74215300c10a</a></p>
<p>Naturally, the Associated Press, the Canadians and the 101st Airborne are all part of the vast international conspiracy intent on discrediting God&#8217;s representative on earth . . .</p>
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