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		<title>By: Antoni Jaume</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/like-you-like-me-like-me-like-you/#comment-1226</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoni Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are probably right: that is why some are convinced that the Euro will fail, in fact. However now I believe that the tree bigger economies, Germany, France and Italy have a bad shape. And I seems to remember that Portugal and maybe Ireland too. However the mandate of the ECB was defined on "absolute" terms, instead of relative like was the case for other economical magnitudes unless I am wrong. The ECB has to defend stability of prices in the Euro-area, period. Silly when looking backwards, I feel, due in part on Germany, but not only them, hubris respect to "Club Med" or "PIGS".

DSW
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are probably right: that is why some are convinced that the Euro will fail, in fact. However now I believe that the tree bigger economies, Germany, France and Italy have a bad shape. And I seems to remember that Portugal and maybe Ireland too. However the mandate of the ECB was defined on &#8220;absolute&#8221; terms, instead of relative like was the case for other economical magnitudes unless I am wrong. The ECB has to defend stability of prices in the Euro-area, period. Silly when looking backwards, I feel, due in part on Germany, but not only them, hubris respect to &#8220;Club Med&#8221; or &#8220;PIGS&#8221;.</p>
<p>DSW</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Crawford</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/like-you-like-me-like-me-like-you/#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correct me if I'm misremembering, but wasn't there an article on Trichet's position regarding this in the Economist this week?  

If I'm thinking of the correct article... a very good point was made regarding the difference between running the ECB from the perspective of the entire Euro Zone versus overfocusing on the effects of specific Euro members.  Taking that view the prospect of deflation in a single Euro member shouldn't determine policy for the entire currency zone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m misremembering, but wasn&#8217;t there an article on Trichet&#8217;s position regarding this in the Economist this week?  </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m thinking of the correct article&#8230; a very good point was made regarding the difference between running the ECB from the perspective of the entire Euro Zone versus overfocusing on the effects of specific Euro members.  Taking that view the prospect of deflation in a single Euro member shouldn&#8217;t determine policy for the entire currency zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Antoni Jaume</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/like-you-like-me-like-me-like-you/#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoni Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2003 02:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably I agree on the fact that deflation is maybe a worse problem, but the EU is tied by norms that were drawn in the early 90, as I understand, and that did not allow for deficit spending by the member-States as a remedy. Now we find that two of the main economical actors  are failing to comply. And it seems, I am not qualified to say more, that not allowing for this deficit or something equivalent would drag down the whole "euroland" and allowing it will do at least moral harm to the EU. 

Sometimes I think the big States should divide in four or five. That would be apt to solve a lot of problems. 

As to the candidate countries, I don't trust what little I know to be insightfull on their pledge.

DSW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably I agree on the fact that deflation is maybe a worse problem, but the EU is tied by norms that were drawn in the early 90, as I understand, and that did not allow for deficit spending by the member-States as a remedy. Now we find that two of the main economical actors  are failing to comply. And it seems, I am not qualified to say more, that not allowing for this deficit or something equivalent would drag down the whole &#8220;euroland&#8221; and allowing it will do at least moral harm to the EU. </p>
<p>Sometimes I think the big States should divide in four or five. That would be apt to solve a lot of problems. </p>
<p>As to the candidate countries, I don&#8217;t trust what little I know to be insightfull on their pledge.</p>
<p>DSW</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/like-you-like-me-like-me-like-you/#comment-1223</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2003 01:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Antoni,

Sorry if I was obscure. I'm not saying he would be soft on the deficit. I'm sure your're right. His background seems to be as an inflation fireman, and strong currency person.

The deflation point is that precisely this emphasis may be wrong. Here we get into monetary not fiscal policy. I suspect Germany is already on the point of having a brush with deflation. 

If this situation deteriorates we may need interest rates at or around zero, and what the Americans call 'unconventional tools'. I think on this site I will get into talking about this only if it becomes necessary, since it is so technical and controversial. However part of any anti-deflation strategy would undoubtedly involve *dropping* the value of the euro, not watching it rise. So this is my question: is he sensitive to this, and is he prepared to change?

OTOH: it doesn't seem there is much interest in talking about Poland and the other candidate countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Antoni,</p>
<p>Sorry if I was obscure. I&#8217;m not saying he would be soft on the deficit. I&#8217;m sure your&#8217;re right. His background seems to be as an inflation fireman, and strong currency person.</p>
<p>The deflation point is that precisely this emphasis may be wrong. Here we get into monetary not fiscal policy. I suspect Germany is already on the point of having a brush with deflation. </p>
<p>If this situation deteriorates we may need interest rates at or around zero, and what the Americans call &#8216;unconventional tools&#8217;. I think on this site I will get into talking about this only if it becomes necessary, since it is so technical and controversial. However part of any anti-deflation strategy would undoubtedly involve *dropping* the value of the euro, not watching it rise. So this is my question: is he sensitive to this, and is he prepared to change?</p>
<p>OTOH: it doesn&#8217;t seem there is much interest in talking about Poland and the other candidate countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Antoni Jaume</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/like-you-like-me-like-me-like-you/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Antoni Jaume</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward, I do not really understand your belief that Trichet would be soft on deficit, because I have a memory of his work as a promotor of the "Franc fort" since Mitterand presidency. Le Monde had an article that mention it: 
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3214,36-338388,0.html 

DSW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward, I do not really understand your belief that Trichet would be soft on deficit, because I have a memory of his work as a promotor of the &#8220;Franc fort&#8221; since Mitterand presidency. Le Monde had an article that mention it:<br />
<a href="http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3214,36-338388,0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3214,36-338388,0.html</a> </p>
<p>DSW</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 15:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other press reports on Trichet's first press conference:

"Yesterday, during his first press conference as ECB president, Mr Trichet said: 'Fiscal developments and the stability and growth pact are now at a critical point at which the credibility of the institutional underpinnings of EMU must be maintained.' The 3% borrowing limit laid down by the pact and by the Maastricht Treaty - which paved the way for the creation of the euro - was the anchor of fiscal policy. 'This anchor must not be placed in doubt.' " - from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1079801,00.html

"But Mr Trichet was not frightened to add to the controversy surrounding the rules that underpin the euro. In comments with hardline undertones, Mr Trichet said that the three percent ceiling of the EU's Stability Pact - which France and Germany have both breached - 'must not be placed in doubt'. Mr Trichet also indirectly criticised the behaviour of the European Commission in the recent controversy - 'it is the view of the Governing Council that the proposals of the Commission push the room for interpretation of the rules and procedures to the limit'. Stressing the importance of keeping to the rules, he added, 'it is the overall credibility of the fiscal framework and, hence, the prospects for economic growth in the euro area that are at stake'. The situation was 'now at a critical point at which the credibility of the institutional underpinnings of EMU must be maintained', he concluded." - from: http://www.euobserver.com/index.phtml?sid=9&#038;aid=13446

The text of Trichet's speech is at: http://www.ecb.int/key/03/sp031106.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other press reports on Trichet&#8217;s first press conference:</p>
<p>&#8220;Yesterday, during his first press conference as ECB president, Mr Trichet said: &#8216;Fiscal developments and the stability and growth pact are now at a critical point at which the credibility of the institutional underpinnings of EMU must be maintained.&#8217; The 3% borrowing limit laid down by the pact and by the Maastricht Treaty - which paved the way for the creation of the euro - was the anchor of fiscal policy. &#8216;This anchor must not be placed in doubt.&#8217; &#8221; - from: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1079801,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,3604,1079801,00.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;But Mr Trichet was not frightened to add to the controversy surrounding the rules that underpin the euro. In comments with hardline undertones, Mr Trichet said that the three percent ceiling of the EU&#8217;s Stability Pact - which France and Germany have both breached - &#8216;must not be placed in doubt&#8217;. Mr Trichet also indirectly criticised the behaviour of the European Commission in the recent controversy - &#8216;it is the view of the Governing Council that the proposals of the Commission push the room for interpretation of the rules and procedures to the limit&#8217;. Stressing the importance of keeping to the rules, he added, &#8216;it is the overall credibility of the fiscal framework and, hence, the prospects for economic growth in the euro area that are at stake&#8217;. The situation was &#8216;now at a critical point at which the credibility of the institutional underpinnings of EMU must be maintained&#8217;, he concluded.&#8221; - from: <a href="http://www.euobserver.com/index.phtml?sid=9&#038;aid=13446" rel="nofollow">http://www.euobserver.com/index.phtml?sid=9&#038;aid=13446</a></p>
<p>The text of Trichet&#8217;s speech is at: <a href="http://www.ecb.int/key/03/sp031106.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecb.int/key/03/sp031106.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In a polished performance"

It would be hard to do worse than 'leaden feet' Duisenberg.

"Mr Trichet said the stability and growth pact provided 'an appropriate framework'"

He is simply re-iterating the ECB orthodoxy here. I think you are right Bob, being a central banker is all about acting and playing poker. He is out to set an expectation of how he will act. This he does to try and 'steer' the markets. In this sense it is important that he is 'seen' as being independent. 

The big question mark I have is whether or not he is sensitive to the deflation problem. His 'chief economist' Otmar Issing certainly isn't. 

I'm sure everyone will have been reading about the 7.3% US GDP growth, and the 8.1 % productivity growth. You will also note that Greenspan is keeping rates at 1% as far ahead as the eye can see. There is a reason for this: Greenspan (and his 'chief economist' Ben Bernanke) understands that there is a deflation risk. This is one example of where the US are well ahead of us here in Europe. Let's hope Trichet is listening to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In a polished performance&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be hard to do worse than &#8216;leaden feet&#8217; Duisenberg.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr Trichet said the stability and growth pact provided &#8216;an appropriate framework&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>He is simply re-iterating the ECB orthodoxy here. I think you are right Bob, being a central banker is all about acting and playing poker. He is out to set an expectation of how he will act. This he does to try and &#8217;steer&#8217; the markets. In this sense it is important that he is &#8217;seen&#8217; as being independent. </p>
<p>The big question mark I have is whether or not he is sensitive to the deflation problem. His &#8216;chief economist&#8217; Otmar Issing certainly isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure everyone will have been reading about the 7.3% US GDP growth, and the 8.1 % productivity growth. You will also note that Greenspan is keeping rates at 1% as far ahead as the eye can see. There is a reason for this: Greenspan (and his &#8216;chief economist&#8217; Ben Bernanke) understands that there is a deflation risk. This is one example of where the US are well ahead of us here in Europe. Let&#8217;s hope Trichet is listening to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my personal surprise, I read in Friday's FT that Trichet, the incoming President of the European Central Bank, has staked out at the very start of his Presidency a strong defence of the terms of the Eurozone's Stability and Growth Pact:

"Jean Claude Trichet, the European Central Bank's new president, on Thursday warned eurozone countries that the rules underpinning the single currency were 'now at a critical point'. In a polished performance at his first press conference since taking over from Wim Duisenberg, Mr Trichet said the stability and growth pact provided 'an appropriate framework' for ensuring fiscal discipline. He said the budget deficit limit of 3 per cent was 'the anchor' for the pact. 'It must not be placed in doubt,' he said." - from: 
http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&#038;c=StoryFT&#038;cid=1066565695800&#038;p=1012571727085

So much for all the many discussions and pronouncements questioning whether the Eurozone's Stability and Growth Pact is too "inflexible" to accommodate appropriate fiscal policies in recessions, as Prodi has previously suggested. Given Trichet's French connection, he is perhaps demonstrating his indpendence to criticse current and forecast breaches of the Stability Pact by the French and German governments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my personal surprise, I read in Friday&#8217;s FT that Trichet, the incoming President of the European Central Bank, has staked out at the very start of his Presidency a strong defence of the terms of the Eurozone&#8217;s Stability and Growth Pact:</p>
<p>&#8220;Jean Claude Trichet, the European Central Bank&#8217;s new president, on Thursday warned eurozone countries that the rules underpinning the single currency were &#8216;now at a critical point&#8217;. In a polished performance at his first press conference since taking over from Wim Duisenberg, Mr Trichet said the stability and growth pact provided &#8216;an appropriate framework&#8217; for ensuring fiscal discipline. He said the budget deficit limit of 3 per cent was &#8216;the anchor&#8217; for the pact. &#8216;It must not be placed in doubt,&#8217; he said.&#8221; - from:<br />
<a href="http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&#038;c=StoryFT&#038;cid=1066565695800&#038;p=1012571727085" rel="nofollow">http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&#038;c=StoryFT&#038;cid=1066565695800&#038;p=1012571727085</a></p>
<p>So much for all the many discussions and pronouncements questioning whether the Eurozone&#8217;s Stability and Growth Pact is too &#8220;inflexible&#8221; to accommodate appropriate fiscal policies in recessions, as Prodi has previously suggested. Given Trichet&#8217;s French connection, he is perhaps demonstrating his indpendence to criticse current and forecast breaches of the Stability Pact by the French and German governments.</p>
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