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	<title>Comments on: In Search of A Lost Time</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick (G)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick (G)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Per William Pfaff, that transformation didn't happen for the U.S. until its civil war, seventy-some years after its second constitution was adopted."

Maybe Patrick, but I would love to see some of the reasons, besides hope, for believing this. What we need is what I imagine GWB would call an evolutionary road map. Where are we on the curve?

Well, my citation is from Pfaff's 1993 Wrath of Nations book, specifically the chapter on American Nationalism.

His description of the pre-civil war U.S. is of a loose federation of sovereign states where senators gamed the legislative process to check the power of other regional blocks.

I don't see that as being too different from the E.U. of today.

What changed things was the quasi-legitimate secession of the southern states and the millions killed and wounded in the ensuing civil war. So the USA is now one nation and breakup into the parts is unthinkable[*].  

That's not the roadmap I would suggest for the E.U.

[*] Unthinkable for now at least.  The Virginia State Legislature's 98-1 repudiation of the Federal Leave No Child Behind Act is perhaps telling of Things To Come: secession by parts, for self-preservation.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Per William Pfaff, that transformation didn&#8217;t happen for the U.S. until its civil war, seventy-some years after its second constitution was adopted.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Patrick, but I would love to see some of the reasons, besides hope, for believing this. What we need is what I imagine GWB would call an evolutionary road map. Where are we on the curve?</p>
<p>Well, my citation is from Pfaff&#8217;s 1993 Wrath of Nations book, specifically the chapter on American Nationalism.</p>
<p>His description of the pre-civil war U.S. is of a loose federation of sovereign states where senators gamed the legislative process to check the power of other regional blocks.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see that as being too different from the E.U. of today.</p>
<p>What changed things was the quasi-legitimate secession of the southern states and the millions killed and wounded in the ensuing civil war. So the USA is now one nation and breakup into the parts is unthinkable[*].  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not the roadmap I would suggest for the E.U.</p>
<p>[*] Unthinkable for now at least.  The Virginia State Legislature&#8217;s 98-1 repudiation of the Federal Leave No Child Behind Act is perhaps telling of Things To Come: secession by parts, for self-preservation.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2004 03:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the,

"Euro ... is about to fall apart",

no-one has told the bond or currency markets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the,</p>
<p>&#8220;Euro &#8230; is about to fall apart&#8221;,</p>
<p>no-one has told the bond or currency markets.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Probably not, but I can always hope."

Hope Scott springs eternal. I'm hoping, but unfortunately I'm not believing. Everything that lives was born to die.

"Per William Pfaff, that transformation didn't happen for the U.S. until its civil war, seventy-some years after its second constitution was adopted."

Maybe Patrick, but I would love to see some of the reasons, besides hope, for believing this. What we need is what I imagine GWB would call an evolutionary road map.

Where are we on the curve?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Probably not, but I can always hope.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hope Scott springs eternal. I&#8217;m hoping, but unfortunately I&#8217;m not believing. Everything that lives was born to die.</p>
<p>&#8220;Per William Pfaff, that transformation didn&#8217;t happen for the U.S. until its civil war, seventy-some years after its second constitution was adopted.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe Patrick, but I would love to see some of the reasons, besides hope, for believing this. What we need is what I imagine GWB would call an evolutionary road map.</p>
<p>Where are we on the curve?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick (G)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick (G)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe scott,
Per William Pfaff, that transformation didn't happen for the U.S. until its civil war, seventy-some years after its second constitution was adopted.

So it's perhaps too early to write off the EU as hopelessly doomed by the inanities of its Politicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe scott,<br />
Per William Pfaff, that transformation didn&#8217;t happen for the U.S. until its civil war, seventy-some years after its second constitution was adopted.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s perhaps too early to write off the EU as hopelessly doomed by the inanities of its Politicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or perhaps this is the moment the historians will point to when they say the EU began its transformation from a Union of states to a government by, for and of Europeans.  Probably not, but I can always hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or perhaps this is the moment the historians will point to when they say the EU began its transformation from a Union of states to a government by, for and of Europeans.  Probably not, but I can always hope.</p>
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