Comments on: Here Comes the First ‘Issue’ http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/ European Opinion Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:09:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Chris Baldwin http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8409 Chris Baldwin Tue, 31 May 2005 17:28:21 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8409 Democracy for China now! Democracy for China now!

]]> By: fredouil http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8408 fredouil Tue, 31 May 2005 08:40:03 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8408 ok They want to play, now we must stop with the ridiculous open free-market (there is too much heterogeneity between european countries and china) and use "european preferences" to protect our industry (mostly we sell them planes and other stuff at lost) ok

They want to play, now we must stop with the ridiculous open free-market (there is too much heterogeneity between european countries and china) and use “european preferences” to protect our industry (mostly we sell them planes and other stuff at lost)

]]> By: CapTVK http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8407 CapTVK Tue, 31 May 2005 05:07:20 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8407 Well the US is putting the Airbus/Boeing issue before the WTO. Here we go: http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2004/nf2004107_0871_db046.htm And that would be the 2nd issue. Well the US is putting the Airbus/Boeing issue before the WTO. Here we go:

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/oct2004/nf2004107_0871_db046.htm

And that would be the 2nd issue.

]]> By: scum of the univ http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8406 scum of the univ Tue, 31 May 2005 04:47:07 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8406 The Chinese are practically asking for the French to become even more protectionist, and for them to drag the EU along with them. Bad timing on their part, frankly. The Chinese are practically asking for the French to become even more protectionist, and for them to drag the EU along with them. Bad timing on their part, frankly.

]]> By: Antoni Jaume http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8405 Antoni Jaume Mon, 30 May 2005 21:04:15 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8405 One of the reason of the low cost of Chinese product is that they pay less taxes, if I'm not wrong. Would it not be good in order to equalize development around the country to set taxes to product that go out, as long as they don't cancel competitivity? After all the endprice in Spain of textiles had gone up all the while the importation from China were growing, who get the difference? DSW One of the reason of the low cost of Chinese product is that they pay less taxes, if I’m not wrong. Would it not be good in order to equalize development around the country to set taxes to product that go out, as long as they don’t cancel competitivity? After all the endprice in Spain of textiles had gone up all the while the importation from China were growing, who get the difference?

DSW

]]> By: Edward http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8404 Edward Mon, 30 May 2005 20:28:23 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8404 "I'm not a racist, but..". Yep, I see your point, but in my case I am genuinely happy that the Chinese are having economic success, and I expect them to defend their corner as best they can. Which is why, with all the confusion we had yesterday, we in the EU are going to have problems: we're not clear what our objectives are. “I’m not a racist, but..”.

Yep, I see your point, but in my case I am genuinely happy that the Chinese are having economic success, and I expect them to defend their corner as best they can. Which is why, with all the confusion we had yesterday, we in the EU are going to have problems: we’re not clear what our objectives are.

]]> By: Factory http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8403 Factory Mon, 30 May 2005 20:24:45 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8403 "Please note: I am *not* anti Chinese," An ex-prime minister of Australia once said that one can guess the end of a sentence if it starts with "I'm not a racist, but..". “Please note: I am *not* anti Chinese,”
An ex-prime minister of Australia once said that one can guess the end of a sentence if it starts with “I’m not a racist, but..”.

]]> By: Bob B http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8402 Bob B Mon, 30 May 2005 16:59:51 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8402 Not forgetting the brewing US-EU trade dispute over aid for Airbus. Recent press reports from a UK perspective: http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8209-1633406,00.html http://politics.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,9174,1494590,00.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1631572,00.html Not forgetting the brewing US-EU trade dispute over aid for Airbus. Recent press reports from a UK perspective:

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8209-1633406,00.html
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,9174,1494590,00.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2095-1631572,00.html

]]> By: Edward http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/here-comes-the-first-issue/#comment-8401 Edward Mon, 30 May 2005 12:54:54 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=1412#comment-8401 Updating via comments: Bloomberg are reporting that the Chinese administration have decided to scrap the textile export tarrifs - they only announced them on 20 May. This seems to be a hardening of the line - sensing weakness in your opponents camp - all round. I have come to the conclusion that the Chinese - who are probably thinking geo-politically - will effectively tell the US to put up and shut up on the currency issue. ie all the fuss is probably having the effect that the float will come later rather than sooner. And they are also effectively telling Alan Greenspan and George Bush that if they don't like things the way they are then they can raise interest rates sharply in the US - to choke off consumption - and accept the 'electoral odium' that will involve. (Note the Chinese have been pretty active in Uzbekistan since the shootings, they are also interested in oil and gas). Now they can see that there are divisions in Europe to exploit. And as I say, this is just the first example. Please note: I am *not* anti Chinese, just trying to think through all the ramifications of what is happening. http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=aQb1PLqD_UJA&refer=home ``This is a strong gesture from China to the U.S. and EU,'' said Long Guoqiang, a senior trade researcher at the State Council Development and Research Center in Beijing.The decision comes three days before U.S. Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez arrives in Beijing for talks on trade issues including textiles. China, the world's largest clothing exporter, has accused the U.S. and EU of abusing trade protection measures by imposing limits on its textile exports and has said it may complain to the World Trade Organization. Updating via comments: Bloomberg are reporting that the Chinese administration have decided to scrap the textile export tarrifs - they only announced them on 20 May. This seems to be a hardening of the line - sensing weakness in your opponents camp - all round.

I have come to the conclusion that the Chinese - who are probably thinking geo-politically - will effectively tell the US to put up and shut up on the currency issue. ie all the fuss is probably having the effect that the float will come later rather than sooner. And they are also effectively telling Alan Greenspan and George Bush that if they don’t like things the way they are then they can raise interest rates sharply in the US - to choke off consumption - and accept the ‘electoral odium’ that will involve. (Note the Chinese have been pretty active in Uzbekistan since the shootings, they are also interested in oil and gas).

Now they can see that there are divisions in Europe to exploit. And as I say, this is just the first example.

Please note: I am *not* anti Chinese, just trying to think through all the ramifications of what is happening.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000006&sid=aQb1PLqD_UJA&refer=home

“This is a strong gesture from China to the U.S. and EU,” said Long Guoqiang, a senior trade researcher at the State Council Development and Research Center in Beijing.The decision comes three days before U.S. Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez arrives in Beijing for talks on trade issues including textiles. China, the world’s largest clothing exporter, has accused the U.S. and EU of abusing trade protection measures by imposing limits on its textile exports and has said it may complain to the World Trade Organization.

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