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	<title>Comments on: Go West Young Man</title>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/go-west-young-man/#comment-11413</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 02:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia would love to have such immigrants...what with only 20 million people in a land area the size of the US.  They are even putting out ads in German newspapers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Australia would love to have such immigrants&#8230;what with only 20 million people in a land area the size of the US.  They are even putting out ads in German newspapers.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"the borders are closed."

Borders, Oliver, turn out to be extraordinarily permeable.  

"Who would take the migrants?"

Any country with a demographic deficit who knows what it is about. I guess the UK would be glad to accept a lot of people from Eastern Europe with the same characteristics as those who are currently moving from East to West Germany. Spain would just love to have them (inward migration now 1.5% of population per annum) - it seems to be migrants from Sub-Saharan Africa that Spain doesn't want - Italy too (latest data reveal Italy is legalising immigrant workers at a rate of 1.1% of population per annum).

"But how could a migration in so large a scale be feasible?"

I don't know whether it's feasible or not, just that the data shows that in some areas it is happening.

"economics causing a demographic meltdown"

Actually I should modify what I said, the two in fact inter-act in a dynamic process. In some cases this process has positive feedback properties, and in others negative feedback ones. Under certain conditions - as we can see in the old DDR case - the economics feeds-back on the demographics to produce meltdown. What I am surprised about is that there is so little interest in this topic, as it seems to me there are a lot of lessons to be learned from what is happening here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the borders are closed.&#8221;</p>
<p>Borders, Oliver, turn out to be extraordinarily permeable.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Who would take the migrants?&#8221;</p>
<p>Any country with a demographic deficit who knows what it is about. I guess the UK would be glad to accept a lot of people from Eastern Europe with the same characteristics as those who are currently moving from East to West Germany. Spain would just love to have them (inward migration now 1.5% of population per annum) - it seems to be migrants from Sub-Saharan Africa that Spain doesn&#8217;t want - Italy too (latest data reveal Italy is legalising immigrant workers at a rate of 1.1% of population per annum).</p>
<p>&#8220;But how could a migration in so large a scale be feasible?&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know whether it&#8217;s feasible or not, just that the data shows that in some areas it is happening.</p>
<p>&#8220;economics causing a demographic meltdown&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually I should modify what I said, the two in fact inter-act in a dynamic process. In some cases this process has positive feedback properties, and in others negative feedback ones. Under certain conditions - as we can see in the old DDR case - the economics feeds-back on the demographics to produce meltdown. What I am surprised about is that there is so little interest in this topic, as it seems to me there are a lot of lessons to be learned from what is happening here.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who would take the migrants? Birth rates can go way down. We've seen that. But how could a  migration in so large a scale be feasible? Also in the normal case (except for South America) there is a language barrier to migration.

For the recieving country it doesn't not matter why the immigrants are coming. If the numbers become too high, the borders are closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who would take the migrants? Birth rates can go way down. We&#8217;ve seen that. But how could a  migration in so large a scale be feasible? Also in the normal case (except for South America) there is a language barrier to migration.</p>
<p>For the recieving country it doesn&#8217;t not matter why the immigrants are coming. If the numbers become too high, the borders are closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"but economics causing a demographic meltdown"

Yes this is the point here. In fact the whole thing seems to me to be 'path dependent': ie a small (or at least only moderately large) difference in initial conditions can lead to a huge tilt.

Now the question is could this process repeat itself *across* national frontiers?  In one of the baltic states, for example, or of course Bulgaria. I think this is one of the great unknowns of asymmetric demography.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but economics causing a demographic meltdown&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes this is the point here. In fact the whole thing seems to me to be &#8216;path dependent&#8217;: ie a small (or at least only moderately large) difference in initial conditions can lead to a huge tilt.</p>
<p>Now the question is could this process repeat itself *across* national frontiers?  In one of the baltic states, for example, or of course Bulgaria. I think this is one of the great unknowns of asymmetric demography.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And on second thought, you are not seeing demographics causing an economic downturn, but economics causing a demographic meltdown. Before 1989 the population of East Germany was younger than the population of West Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And on second thought, you are not seeing demographics causing an economic downturn, but economics causing a demographic meltdown. Before 1989 the population of East Germany was younger than the population of West Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are seeing a dumbing down by migration. Literally, average draftee IQs in the east are lower. But this is an unlikely model for the future. Only within a nation would a migration of this magnitude be tolerated.

In a situation of natural decline however, you would most likely see an increase in qualification as nations react with automatisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are seeing a dumbing down by migration. Literally, average draftee IQs in the east are lower. But this is an unlikely model for the future. Only within a nation would a migration of this magnitude be tolerated.</p>
<p>In a situation of natural decline however, you would most likely see an increase in qualification as nations react with automatisation.</p>
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