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		<title>By: Jelena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jelena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2005 16:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very complex topic. The complexity increases noticing the different perspectives among you. Edward is interested in stability for the sake of the market(s). Georg, Oliver and others (if I read them correctly) are interested in the political process and preserving at least a grain of democracy in it. 

This has to incubate with me for a day or two before I can comment any further. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very complex topic. The complexity increases noticing the different perspectives among you. Edward is interested in stability for the sake of the market(s). Georg, Oliver and others (if I read them correctly) are interested in the political process and preserving at least a grain of democracy in it. </p>
<p>This has to incubate with me for a day or two before I can comment any further.</p>
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		<title>By: Abiola Lapite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abiola Lapite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further, from the little England point of view, can anything opposed by so many Frenchmen be all that bad?As much as I dislike the Daily Wail set, this strikes me as wishful thinking. It isn't French enthusiasm or the lack thereof which concerns most opponents of the European constitution, but the sheer length and incomprehensibility of it, along with all sorts of ridiculous clauses mandating positive "rights" that have no business being decreed from on high by Brussels. 

Europe has gotten along just fine thus far without a constitution, and after all the changes of the past few years, a little gridlock won't necessarily be a bad thing, in so far as it gives people time to absorb all the changes to date. This turgid brick of a constitution was a disaster in the making, and in the years to come advocates of the EU will be grateful that they were saved from their own worst tendencies by the French and Dutch electorates, if only they can muster the willpower to try again for something a lot more modest and transparent. Vive la France indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further, from the little England point of view, can anything opposed by so many Frenchmen be all that bad?As much as I dislike the Daily Wail set, this strikes me as wishful thinking. It isn&#8217;t French enthusiasm or the lack thereof which concerns most opponents of the European constitution, but the sheer length and incomprehensibility of it, along with all sorts of ridiculous clauses mandating positive &#8220;rights&#8221; that have no business being decreed from on high by Brussels. </p>
<p>Europe has gotten along just fine thus far without a constitution, and after all the changes of the past few years, a little gridlock won&#8217;t necessarily be a bad thing, in so far as it gives people time to absorb all the changes to date. This turgid brick of a constitution was a disaster in the making, and in the years to come advocates of the EU will be grateful that they were saved from their own worst tendencies by the French and Dutch electorates, if only they can muster the willpower to try again for something a lot more modest and transparent. Vive la France indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Georg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Georg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 16:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the Non mean that something is rotten in the EU? You bet. Can it be fixed easily? No. Basically what's required is to re-educate the political elites (since re-educating the population is not what we do) in how to relate their work to real needs of their constituents. Undertaking huge projects at the EU-level whose results are then junked because they have no reliable support in the population is just a depressing waste of time and resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the Non mean that something is rotten in the EU? You bet. Can it be fixed easily? No. Basically what&#8217;s required is to re-educate the political elites (since re-educating the population is not what we do) in how to relate their work to real needs of their constituents. Undertaking huge projects at the EU-level whose results are then junked because they have no reliable support in the population is just a depressing waste of time and resources.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we take just a moment an appreciate Tony Blair's political savvy?

If the process stops (which I think is not such a good idea), he's off the hook for the UK referendum. If it continues, he's already had an election in which the people had the chance to give him a bloody nose. Now they can consider the EU on its merits, or at least insofar as the UK debate is ever related to the reality of the EU. Further, from the little England point of view, can anything opposed by so many Frenchmen be all that bad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we take just a moment an appreciate Tony Blair&#8217;s political savvy?</p>
<p>If the process stops (which I think is not such a good idea), he&#8217;s off the hook for the UK referendum. If it continues, he&#8217;s already had an election in which the people had the chance to give him a bloody nose. Now they can consider the EU on its merits, or at least insofar as the UK debate is ever related to the reality of the EU. Further, from the little England point of view, can anything opposed by so many Frenchmen be all that bad?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 13:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thinking aloud - and with the China textiles post in mind - the French vote may strengthen Greenspan's hand with China, and for the following reason:

What we have is uncertainty, under conditions of uncertainty investors tend to go for the safest bet. Strangely enough this is still likely to be the dollar. So money will be coming into the US, as people, obviously sell euros, anticipating a reduction in its value. So........

The US treasury will have an additional flow of non-Chinese funds, and will not be so dependent on China to sell US government debt. Hence they may be able to take a stronger line. Just a thought.

Of course, if this does happen, longer term interest rates will effectively drop, which will only make the distortions of the housing boom worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thinking aloud - and with the China textiles post in mind - the French vote may strengthen Greenspan&#8217;s hand with China, and for the following reason:</p>
<p>What we have is uncertainty, under conditions of uncertainty investors tend to go for the safest bet. Strangely enough this is still likely to be the dollar. So money will be coming into the US, as people, obviously sell euros, anticipating a reduction in its value. So&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>The US treasury will have an additional flow of non-Chinese funds, and will not be so dependent on China to sell US government debt. Hence they may be able to take a stronger line. Just a thought.</p>
<p>Of course, if this does happen, longer term interest rates will effectively drop, which will only make the distortions of the housing boom worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 12:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think about it, the more I don't anticipate a rapid financial crisis. The initial focus will be on the political crisis and how the politicians respond. If the political situation deteriorates, and there is a more general crisis of confidence in the ability of our institutions to respond, then I would expect the economic consequences to arrive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think about it, the more I don&#8217;t anticipate a rapid financial crisis. The initial focus will be on the political crisis and how the politicians respond. If the political situation deteriorates, and there is a more general crisis of confidence in the ability of our institutions to respond, then I would expect the economic consequences to arrive.</p>
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		<title>By: Marek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 12:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward 'harmonisation fiscale' - one of the demands of the left wing 'non' campaign,  'dumping fiscal' - one of the chief exhibits of how the const. is too 'liberale'  So I'd say they do want higher taxes in the new member states.  Now if you're saying they don't want higher taxes at home I'd agree with you, though either Fabius or Emmanuelli did suggest a tax of 110 Euro/person over a five year period in the rich member states to subsidize development of the new members.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward &#8216;harmonisation fiscale&#8217; - one of the demands of the left wing &#8216;non&#8217; campaign,  &#8216;dumping fiscal&#8217; - one of the chief exhibits of how the const. is too &#8216;liberale&#8217;  So I&#8217;d say they do want higher taxes in the new member states.  Now if you&#8217;re saying they don&#8217;t want higher taxes at home I&#8217;d agree with you, though either Fabius or Emmanuelli did suggest a tax of 110 Euro/person over a five year period in the rich member states to subsidize development of the new members.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 11:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T"hey want Brussels to force countries to have higher taxes, shorter work weeks, higher minimum wages, barriers to outsourcing, etc."

On the taxes I wouldn't be too sure, on the other items you could be right, but since none of them are realiseable, we have a crisis about the 'reality' of voter expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T&#8221;hey want Brussels to force countries to have higher taxes, shorter work weeks, higher minimum wages, barriers to outsourcing, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the taxes I wouldn&#8217;t be too sure, on the other items you could be right, but since none of them are realiseable, we have a crisis about the &#8216;reality&#8217; of voter expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 11:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Which markets are open tomorrow? Frankfurt? Paris? I know that London and the US markets are closed.'

Well London isn't, but in Paris and Frankfurt it should be business as usual. The US I think is closed today. There is Asia too remember. As it happens the euro is already falling there, but only very moderately. I guess we will have a clearer picture on Tuesday.

I don't think there will be a big initial reaction. As many have said, the markets were probably already anticipating a 'no'.

I think the impact will be seen over weeks and months. And it will be seen as a reflection of how our institutions react.  There are perhaps four main items: the EU budget, the Stability and Growth Pact, the ECB and the euro, and the Lisbon reform process.

If agreement on a new budget, which has already proved complicated, only becomes more difficult, then this will obviously be negative. If Almunia isn't tough on Italy and Portugal, ditto.

As I posted last week the ECB is having a credibility problem itself, and people will be looking long and hard at Trichet on Thursday.

Then there is the Lisbon process. Was the vote yesterday in favour or against? I think this isn't clear at this time. The worst issue is there will probably be a crisis of weak leadership in France until the next presidential election. Yesterday's vote now makes Sarkozy the likely winner, and is most likely to be very strong on Lisbon.   

At some stage, the EU political leadership will turn this situation round, in the sense that they restore confidence in their ability to carry the majority of voters behind them on EU issues. But it is the time between now and then that is going to be tricky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Which markets are open tomorrow? Frankfurt? Paris? I know that London and the US markets are closed.&#8217;</p>
<p>Well London isn&#8217;t, but in Paris and Frankfurt it should be business as usual. The US I think is closed today. There is Asia too remember. As it happens the euro is already falling there, but only very moderately. I guess we will have a clearer picture on Tuesday.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there will be a big initial reaction. As many have said, the markets were probably already anticipating a &#8216;no&#8217;.</p>
<p>I think the impact will be seen over weeks and months. And it will be seen as a reflection of how our institutions react.  There are perhaps four main items: the EU budget, the Stability and Growth Pact, the ECB and the euro, and the Lisbon reform process.</p>
<p>If agreement on a new budget, which has already proved complicated, only becomes more difficult, then this will obviously be negative. If Almunia isn&#8217;t tough on Italy and Portugal, ditto.</p>
<p>As I posted last week the ECB is having a credibility problem itself, and people will be looking long and hard at Trichet on Thursday.</p>
<p>Then there is the Lisbon process. Was the vote yesterday in favour or against? I think this isn&#8217;t clear at this time. The worst issue is there will probably be a crisis of weak leadership in France until the next presidential election. Yesterday&#8217;s vote now makes Sarkozy the likely winner, and is most likely to be very strong on Lisbon.   </p>
<p>At some stage, the EU political leadership will turn this situation round, in the sense that they restore confidence in their ability to carry the majority of voters behind them on EU issues. But it is the time between now and then that is going to be tricky.</p>
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		<title>By: Marek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2005 11:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maynard, the left wing 'non' voters are not against Brussels telling Europeans what to do, they just don't like what it is currently saying.  They want Brussels to force countries to have higher taxes, shorter work weeks, higher minimum wages, barriers to outsourcing, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maynard, the left wing &#8216;non&#8217; voters are not against Brussels telling Europeans what to do, they just don&#8217;t like what it is currently saying.  They want Brussels to force countries to have higher taxes, shorter work weeks, higher minimum wages, barriers to outsourcing, etc.</p>
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