Comments on: Alter-European?

By: Phil Hunt

Phil Hunt — Wed, 24 Dec 2003 03:45:49 +0000

The constitution, and the process by which it was drawn up, seem very remote from the European peoples. Not surprising then, that there is no popular enthusiasm for it. It’s probably best to tear up the constitution and try again, with the principle of doing what pleases most people and trying to avoid displeasing everyone. This means we have to have a multi-speed variable-geometry Europe, because it’s going to be impossible to get asll 25 countries to agree to the pace of integration.

The democratic deficit also needs to be fixed: have an elected president of the EU (who would also be president of the Commission, no need for two separate jobs — perhaps the deputy president could also be Europe’s foregn minister). Give the European Parliament more power, in particular equal power over the budget with the Council.

By: Bob

Bob — Sat, 20 Dec 2003 03:22:41 +0000

Patrick,

“I don’t believe that I understand the link between a currency and government ‘sleaze and Corruption’.”

My earlier post did not, in fact, suggest there was any direct link but the dispassionate, inquisitive observer of EU affairs might well consider it prudent to ask whether there is a connecting thread between the failing economic performance of the Eurozone, the unilateral disregard of the Euzozone’s Stability and Growth Pact by France and Germany, the botched attempt to launch a Constitution for the EU, the evidence that emerged in the summer of more sleaze and corruption in the EU Commission and the recent refusal of the European Court of Auditors to endorse EU accounts for the ninth year in succession.

However, I must confess that I have a personal difficulty in believing these are altogether unrelated to the competence of the EU Commission and the integrity and sustainability of the EU as presently motivated and administered. But then, like so many of my compatriots, I can probably be dismissed out of hand as just one of those Eurosceptics who can be ignored by true believers in the Holy Grail of European integration. Ours is not to reason why?

By: Russell Arben Fox

Russell Arben Fox — Sat, 20 Dec 2003 01:14:48 +0000

Nick, this is a little late, but thanks for another fine post. A lot of food for thought here, and thanks very much to the pointer to Hasting’s excellent article. I look forward to reading what you have to say about European cultural and national identities. In the meantime, your post (and Maria’s over at Crooked Timber) inspired some thoughts of my own; you can check them out here: http://philosophenweg.blogspot.com/2003_12_01_philosophenweg_archive.html#107186324509411372.

By: Patrick (G)

Patrick (G) — Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:40:01 +0000

“Famously, in successive official polls Brits have come out as the most sceptical of the Euro single currency and of the benefits of EU membership altogether. As a conjecture, I suspect we might become rather more enthusiastic if the EU Commission were to demonstrate competence at getting some grip on stopping sleaze and corruption.”

I don’t believe that I understand the link between a currency and government “sleaze and Corruption”.

If there truly was one, wouldn’t that be an argument for dumping the Pound or any currency and going back to barter ?

And isn’t this the same blog that recently highlighted a Brit calling for European Politics to be more like British Politics…what was that Article, oh yes, “A fist in the face” ?

By: FransGroenendijk

FransGroenendijk — Wed, 17 Dec 2003 05:22:48 +0000

Nice post Stefan. I like the preambule too but also agree with Marc Young on your site “but it’s illusionary to think the national governments would just sign away their own significance”
But that’s quite a dilemma we face. Several of them actually.
A core problem imo is the fact that the government leaders will resort to presenting “europe”, or “the big countries”, or “non-euroland-members” as some kind of outside enemy to gain popularity at home.
I think I repeat myself here too, saying that also to change this, we need to get rid of direct elections and switch to indirect elections instead.

By: Bob

Bob — Wed, 17 Dec 2003 04:17:47 +0000

Famously, in successive official polls Brits have come out as the most sceptical of the Euro single currency and of the benefits of EU membership altogether. As a conjecture, I suspect we might become rather more enthusiastic if the EU Commission were to demonstrate competence at getting some grip on stopping sleaze and corruption. The European Court of Auditors has now refused to endorse the EU accounts for the last nine years in succession. How many more years will it take to sort out the administration of the Commission?

By: John S

John S — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 14:16:50 +0000

James is right about the Commission’s determination to regulate frenetically. However, your point Nick, that the Commission regularly ignores or bypasses the European Parliament is fashionable opinion but wrong. It isn’t possible for the Commission to ignore or bypass the Parliament even sometimes, never mind regularly. Everything it proposes must go through the Parliament and anything it proposes can be stopped or entirely modified by the Parliament (e.g., the take over bids directive).

By: James Graham

James Graham — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 05:55:09 +0000

By Lib Dem standards, I was quite euro-sceptic before I started working for an MEP (well, definitely *Euro* sceptic, ideologically committed to the EU). But after 18 months I am, if anything, even more doubtful.

There are lots of big problems that cross borders that we need to work together on – the environment, defence and asylum and immigration to name but a few. The problem is, politicians are terrified of dealing with most of them out of a fear of being accused of giving up national sovereignty. Meanwhile the Commission seems determined to regulate every aspect of life regardless of whether it would be better dealt with by nation states (or even not at all).

Perhaps we should have a five year moratorium on ANY new EU legislation. That way we could better assess what is important and what we can live without.

James

By: Richard

Richard — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:50:08 +0000

I’m not sure a two speed Europe is a likely outcome of this. Given the increased diversity of the EU and the shifting balance of power within it, I’m not not convinced that the Franco-German engine will be in as much of a position to form a pioneer group; it seems as likely that there will be a multi-speed Europe. My take on these proceedings at: http://www.logopolis.org.uk/weblog/2003_12_01_archive.html#107151672883185569

By: Stefan Geens

Stefan Geens — Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:12:34 +0000

Too fast, or too slow? Jean Monnet wanted a Europe that was not governed by an intergovernmental committee, yet national governments have done nothing to empower the European Parliament. It’s this footdragging that means voting rights in the Council of Ministers still matter – and this is snarling the entire porject.

Funny how the past weekend seems to have gelled this very opinion in the minds of many: My own alter-European rationalization is here. It ends with my own attempt at a preamble – I would be interested in seeing other people’s ideal preamble.