the argument about comparing France to Britain is very relevant to the discussion about Iraq and the Chatham papers - it all comes down to Tony Blair and exposing him for what he is : one big lying fraudster.

Tony Blair lied to the British people and to all of Europe about Iraq to invade that country and to confiscate its oil wealth. The Chatham papers are absolutely correct when they point out that Tony Blair’s illegal invasion of Iraq is massively increasing the risk of resistance fighters striking back in turn on the British homeland.

Tony Blair also lies to the rest of Europe when he tries to tell us that the British economic model is preferable to the French of German economic model.

The fact of the matter is that Tony Blair is once again lying and trying to commit fraud on all of Europe- Britain is one big mess from where people are fleeing to go and live in France. Nobody wants to move to Britain - there is nothing there which is even remotely interesting for the rest of Europe.

Basically Britain is nothing more than one overpriced city of London that is about to collapse under the weight of its massive real estate bubble; when all of that implodes there will be nothing much left of Britain - no working trains, no industry, no Rover, no Euro, no healthcare, no pensions, stuck in an illegal war thousands of kilometers away.

Britain is a country that has been purchased by the Americans- the entire country is dotted and occupied by American military installations; more than 60% of the British media is in the hands of Rupert Murdoch- the right wing neocon who is intimitely linked to the right wing American and Israeli administrations.

So every European should fight this British model that the fraudster Tony Blair is trying to impose on the EU- if we do not resist this English fraud all of our industrial and agricultural prowess will disappear just like it did in Britain under the British economic model. If we do not fight Tony Blair he will try to drag all of Europe into his illegal wars- nobody knows what’s next but it is very likely that Tony Blair and Rupert Murdoch are trying to set the stage for another illegal war on Iran. The recent London bombings give him and the American and Israeli administration the fuel they need to try to justify another illegal campaign in the middle east.

I think this argument is way off topic. Personally I am an unashamed Francophile in many ways. I love the country, and am only an hour’s drive away. But this has nothing to do with Iraq, or the labour market structure. However I can’t resist this:

“It is no wonder that French people have the highest lifespan in Europe”

Please go here. You will se that the number one is ‘little ol’ Catalan-speaking Andorra, then comes Switzerland, then comes Sweden, then comes Iceland, then comes Italy, and then…… and then comes France.

Of course if this is representative of how you assemble your facts, one should not be surprised at the conclusions you come to. Oh, yes, the factbook was prepared by the CIA (LoL).

Also I’m not very convinced that longevity and quality of life are the same thing.

There are no 250,000 French people in Britain. No French people aspire to move to Britain - the only French people in Britain are a couple of hundreds of chefs and sommeliers teaching the Brits about cuisine and wine ; these are short term assignments and all French people eventually go back to France because nothing can compete with the quality of life in France; the excellent transport networks, the healthcare and pension systems - that delicate balance between prosperity and social welfare that works so well in France. It is no wonder that French people have the highest lifespan in Europe and on the planet. Contrast this with Britain where child poverty in rampant and where entire British cities look like they belong in Bangladesh or Pakistan.

The only other French people who move to Britain are football players who are giving the English lessons in the art of football. That’s about it- there simply is no desire from the French to go and live in Britain unlike the hundreds of thousands of Brits who fled their islands and moved to France where they have access to world class healthcare, top education and unrivalled quality of life and transport networks.

If you believe your explanation of why Brits are moving to France, how do you explain the 250,000 French people living in SE England? How does it explain all the Germans and Austrians in Croatia for that matter? France has good weather, very cheap houses and is close to Britain.

Are you saying that either the British government or the News Corp empire planted the bombs? Or aren’t you?

Jan, in what way are British people being submissive? The bomb makes very little difference to whether or not being involved in Iraq was a good idea. What do you expect the people to do? Smash up a few mosques? Your point is as ridiculous and offensive as the one saying that the Spanish just did exactly what Al Qaeda wanted.

Really this trading in stereotypes is lazy and unpleasant. Worst of all it is wrong. Millions of Britons took to the streets to protest against the war. Britons can’t be simultaneously moving to France because of their acknowledgment of the superior social model and at the same time alien misfits.

The war was probably a bad idea and definitely should have been done differently. However there was a problem to be solved and nobody had a viable alternative or the strength and coordination to make something happen. Not that it is obvious that the French or Germans would be playing it any better. European bickering and jockeying for position was disastrous in Bosnia and now it is the real European French and Dutch blocking moves endorsed by 12(?) other European contries to allow Europe to function more effectively in concert.

My impression - awaiting imminent confirmation - is that most of the dead have been killed by one group of Muslims blowing up other muslims.

Seems like all of Britain has suddenly forgotten that Tony Blair’s government had completely invented and made up fraudulent claims about WMD’s and the danger posed by Satan Hussein….

If Tony Blair was lying before and just made up evidence before to achieve his foreign policy goals could it be that in this case of the bombings his government is again trying to deceive the entire British nation ?

The hundreds of thousands of British and American soldiers in Iraq should now be privatized and they should become full time employees of the British and American oil companies. After all what these thousands of taxpayer funded soldiers are doing today is guarding oil pipelines and refineries and shooting the locals whenever they come too close to the oil assets which were confiscated by the anglo oil companies.

The widows of those American and British soldiers which perished in Iraq should be give lifetime pensions from the oil majors just as with any other employee of an oil company who dies during an overseas assignment.

Stocks options in Exxon, Shell, BP etc should be offered to those soldiers who remain in Iraq- this would also help with recruitment and ensure that young anglo people are still willing to go to Iraq and drive a humvee around Fallujah . That way if they manage to avoid getting blown up they can at least look forward to some major financial rewards when they return back home to their ghettoes in Birmingham, Liverpool etc. Unlike today where if a taxpayer funded American or British soldier dies all they get is a flag and some miserable minimum wage payout for the surviving family members.

Now that oil is U$ 60/barrel is a great time to privatize the entire American and British army and put them on the payroll of the oil majors. These hundreds of thousands of oil company employees can then run around and spread freedom wherever there are oilwells or strategic pipelines like in Ukraine, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kazahkstan and all those other wonderful places where the Americans and British are spreading their ideals of freedom and liberty for all…

Personally I believe that Britain lost its independence to the Americans on the day when Rupert Murdoch took over majority control over the British media; today as every British politician knows fully well they have to kowtow to Rupert Murdoch and his right wing neocon vision or Murdoch via his majority control of the British media destroys their political careers.

And yet Rupert Murdoch via his propaganda empire tells the Brits day after day that the EU and Brussels wants to take away Britain’s sovereignty….. a rather pathetic argument considering that Rupert Murdoch has already taken away whatever British sovereignty there was by brainwashing the British masses with his barrage of American neocon propaganda. SKY NEWS, THE SUN, SUNDAY TIMES, THE TIMES, FOXNEWS and all the other American owned trash have only one mission: to brainwash the Brits and to make sure that the British masses do not deviate from whatever policy is imposed on them by Washington and Tel Aviv. As the message was being lost somewhat in the recent months with the revelations of all the fraudulent claims from Tony Blair about WMD’s we now all of a sudden have some bombs going off in London….

It would seem now that there is very little hope for Britain- I think most Europeans are just waiting now for the day that an American aircraft carrier tows the British islands to somewhere off the coast of the USA.

Somehow the Brits simply dont fit with Europe; thats why the British historically have always fled their islands to setup shop in the far corners of the world; its like the Brits cannot stand to live on their own miserable islands- they have to runaway to or invade someplace else. Like the thousands and thousands of Brits in recent years that moved to France looking for a better life and a better managed society where healhcare works, where the public transport is excellent and where the people know how to live life as it should be lived.