Some thoughts on Greater Albania, Part 2

So, the Albanosphere: about 7 million Albanians in Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro, plus another million or so recent emigrants and gastarbeitern scattered across Europe and the US.

I’m going to leave the diaspora mostly out of the picture. They’re very important, but I can’t spent all my days writing blog posts. I’m also going to leave out the Arvanites and the native Albanians of Italy, Croatia, Turkey and Romania. The Arvanites identify as Greeks of Albanian descent, not Albanians (long story), and the other groups are small.

So what can we say about the rest of the Albanians?

The Albanosphere is poor and backwards… Kosovo is in a dead heat with Moldova for the title of “poorest country in Europe”. Unemployment is very high, economic growth is stagnating, and nine years after the bombs stopped falling they still can’t keep the lights on.

Albania is better off, but not by much. Unemployment is very high and there’s a large black economy. There are major problems with producing and distributing energy — the whole country had a day-long blackout earlier this year. Both Kosovo and Albania are running huge current account deficits, which are only partially compensated by remittances from abroad. And both have a lot of remittances, because there are so few opportunities for young people that most of them go abroad to find work.

Corruption is a huge problem. Albania consistently ranks very low in indexes of corruption — in 2007, Transparency International ranked them #105 in the world, below Mongolia and Lebanon and in a tie with Burkina Faso and Djibouti. Inequality is very high, with perhaps 10% of Albania’s population living well and the rest sunk in poverty. And in terms of human development — education levels, life expectancy, things like that — Kosovo, Albania and the Albanian part of Macedonia are all near the bottom of the European charts.

…but that is changing fast. On the other hand, Albania has seen sustained economic growth in the 5%-6% range for a decade now. Macedonia has been growing more slowly, but was richer to begin with, and managed to avoid war and civil chaos.

The number of high school and university graduates is rising rapidly. Foreign investment is flowing in. Tirana and Shkoder buzz with new construction funded by German, Greek and Italian money, some clean, some not. Albania has a surprisingly strong SME (small and medium enterprise) sector, and many of these small firms are seedbeds for investment and human development. And while large numbers of young Albanians are leaving, many are also coming back — bringing degrees and skills from abroad.

Meanwhile, the region is urbanizing at a startling rate. More accurately, it’s deruralizing; the villages of northern Albania and Kosovo are sending their people, especially their young people, to the cities. Tirana has grown by more than 150% since 1990, and Prishtina has doubled. This has both positive and negative consequences, but in any event it’s changing the region

In short, while the Albanosphere is still one of the poorest corners of Europe, this may not be true for much longer. The region still suffers under major handicaps, but it’s undergoing very rapid change.

The Albanosphere is culturally conservative… The Balkans generally are somewhat conservative by Western or Central European standards, but this is particularly true in the Albanosphere. The traditional, patriarchal family is still the basic building block of society. There’s a lot of social pressure on women not to get too far from traditional roles. People tend to marry young. Divorce happens, but isn’t typical.

Public displays of affection are less common than elsewhere in the Balkans, and women dress a bit more conservatively. (A bit. Tirana girls sport a “hooker chic” not much different from what you see in Belgrade.) Outside of the large cities, women don’t drive much, nor walk around alone. You don’t see porn sold openly on street kiosks, and sensitive topics like AIDS or domestic violence are still not much discussed. Gays are sort-of tolerated as long as they’re firmly in the closet, but gay rights are not on the menu.

…but religiously tolerant. There’s an old saying that “the religion of Albanians is Albanianism”, and there’s a lot of truth to it. In round numbers, the Albanospere is about 70%-75% Muslim, maybe 15%-20% Catholic, and the rest Orthodox. In practice, “Muslim” to most Albanians means “descended from a Muslim family, observe some Muslim holidays, don’t eat pork”. Very few women wear a headscarf or veil.

There’s almost no friction between the religious groups. Intermarriage is common and nobody thinks much of it. When Benedict was elected Pope a few years back, church bells ran all over Tirana, to general approval. Every Christmas in Prishtina, the single Catholic church is filled to overflowing with Muslim Albanians who’ve come to share the holiday with friends.

I’ve had some trouble explaining this to Serbian and American Orthodox acquaintances. Religiously tolerant!?! Have you seen what they did to the monasteries in Kosovo? Do you have any idea how many Orthodox churches those animals have burned??

The answer, of course, is that the Albanians didn’t attack the Serbian Orthodox churches because they were Orthodox. They attacked them because they were Serbian. But if you’re an Orthodox person who’s seen film clips of Albanians smashing and burning churches, this distinction may be hard to grasp.

Albanians are clannish. In English, this has two related meanings. Both are true here.

Albanians take family connections very seriously — especially the extended patronymic family. Depending on where you are, they may be more or less formal about it. In much of Kosovo and some parts of Albania, there are, literally, clans; they’re run by (male) clan elders, and they have a lot of influence in politics and the economy. This is less true in Tirana and Macedonia, but the extended family is still very important there.

Albanians are also rather clannish in the more general sense. However friendly they may be as individuals (and Albanians can be very friendly), in groups they often keep outsiders at a little distance. “Handle problems within the family/clan/neighborhood” is a fairly strong social imperative.

This has both good and bad effects. The extended family provides a powerful social safety net that has helped the Albanosphere get through some very difficult times. It’s also a source of capital; most small businesses in this part of the world are started with family money. On the minus side, the clan system encourages nepotism and other sorts of corruption, and can make Albanian society very opaque to the state. A policeman looking for a suspect (for instance) may find a lot of closed mouths and averted gazes; less dramatically, so may a social worker or an electrical inspector looking for bad wiring or illegal connections. (Stealing electricity from the power company is a popular sport throughout the Albanosphere.)

Albanians are the target of a lot of strong negative stereotypes. Albanians have a bad reputation.

There’s no nice way to say this. If you ask a European to free-associate off the word “Albanian”, you’ll get results like “Mafia, gangsters, violent, dirty, drugs, human trafficking, corruption, stolen cars, dangerous”. This trend gets worse as you get closer to the lands where Albanians live; the British barely know what Albanians are, the Germans have a low opinion of them, and the Serbs are almost insane with hatred for them.

It’s hard to say just why this is. Yes, post-Communist Albania was a violent place for a while, but it was a lot less violent than post-Communist Yugoslavia. Yes, Albania has mafias and criminal gangs, but so do the Italians and the Turks. Yes, there’s human trafficking and drug dealing, but it’s no worse than in other poor Eastern European countries. There are thousands of Albanian pimps and prostitutes in Italy, but there are probably even more Polish and Ukrainian pimps and prostitutes in Germany. Yet these countries aren’t cursed with such negative images.

This is a topic that deserves a post of its own, but for now I’ll just note the unhappy fact: Albanians have a bad image.

The Albanosphere is politically immature. This is more of a regional thing than an Albanian one. I mean, nobody is praising the wisdom and honesty of Serbian or Greek political leaders. Still, the Albanians got dealt a particularly bad hand by history, and few of their modern leaders have risen to the challenge. A particularly egregious example was seen in the last general election in Albania, when the incumbent Prime Minister Fatos Nano suffered a clear defeat at the polls… and nevertheless clung to power, making vast claims of fraud and generally being a huge embarassment, for over a month. This was in part because of Nano himself, but it was also because Albanian politics still has trouble with the whole “loyal opposition” concept. Also because of corruption — Nano was surrounded by people who’d been getting filthy rich under his administration, and they were all telling him to fight to the last possible instant.

More generally, Albanian politics tend to be fissiparous, and driven by personalities, clan ties, regional loyalties and cash rather than ideologies. This is common, even normal in post-Communist countries, but it doesn’t make it easy to form a government or run a modern state.

That said, the leaders of the Albanosphere have scored a few successes. Kosovo’s independence is one; the Ohrid Agreement of 2002, which established Albanian rights in Macedonia, is another. And while Albania itself has big problems, it’s managed to avoid widespread violence or social collapse, at least for the last ten years.

The Albanians are on the doorstep of the EU. Macedonia is an EU candidate, though they won’t be joining before 2014 at the earliest. Albania and Montenegro have SAA agreements and will probably be candidates in the next two or three years. And hundreds of thousands of Albanians are in the EU already, legally or otherwise.

The joker in the pack is Kosovo. Most of the EU countries recognize it, but several do not, and Greece would probably veto its candidacy. And, of course, it’s going to be very hard to offer candidacy to Kosovo and Serbia both.

Nevertheless, by the end of the next decade most if not all of the Albanians will be in the EU. And the prospect of EU membership will be a major engine for change across the Albanosphere.

Okay, that seems like a good place to stop. I think there’ll be one more post, which will be about the Albanians and their neighbors.

29 thoughts on “Some thoughts on Greater Albania, Part 2

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  2. Thank you for a fascinating and comprehensive post about Albania and its people. As a Greek, I have been in contact with Albanians almost all my life. The views about Albanians in Greece are the worst and in the northern regions which are closer to the border the fear and discrimination is much greater.
    We always have some sort of trouble going on and the media help spread the word (negatively of course)

    I am looking forward to the next post!

  3. Far from being an expert on Albania, from the few contacts I’ve had, I see the signs of a “western visitor’s view” here. The facts are there, but there is a tendency to generalise and “interpretations” and conclusions can be quite off.

    Not that this is bad in itself, after all everyone is entitled to hir[sic] opinion, but people are easily influenced…

  4. A rather good job, Doug.

    My only complaint is that a lot of people compare the rural Albanosphere with Belgrade, and it seemed that most of your conclusions were stemming from that. You need to compare apples with apples, and if you compare with rural Bulgaria, Romania or Serbia, the situation is pretty much the same.

    I don’t blame you for this: the rate of rural vs. urban in the Albanosphere compares badly with that of our neighbors, but the situation is changing fast with the recent urbanization.

  5. I grew up in a U.S. city which has a substantial Albanian population. The first ones came shortly after World War II and the immigrant flow has never really ceased, although the population is now well into the third and even fourth generation. Anyway, a common theme among the Albanians is that while they often do pretty well economically – by and large they are much better-off than the city’s substantial Puerto Rican population – they tend to be rather unsophisticated, for lack of a better term.

  6. As I said I’m far from being an expert on Albania, but I get the feeling that underlying Doug’s introduction seems to be a single question:

    — Can we (the west) do business with them (Albanians)?

    which I see as a sign of “western visitor syndrome”. There is nothing wrong to correct in this question, but to me it’s definitely not the only one… Whenever I had a discussion with Albanians, it was almost never around economy matters, but then it could be just me.

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  8. Doug! What paper are you writting for? I think I have red your articles in F.Times. Generaly realistic writting about Albanians. As for Peters coment in this blog I disagree. Albanians in America are doing much better than their neighboring groups if you take an equal number of people. There are 250 000 Albanians in America compared with 5 mil Greeks or 25 mil Italians. And yet Albanians have send 3 astronauts in space( one landed on the moon{Shepard}) many first class Hollivood actors and sports people. Peter does not read the New York Times because if he did ,he would have known that most Of Italian and french restaurants in Tristate are are Albanian owned.

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  10. Thank’s for another very good text!

    About Albanians bad reputation in W. Europe. I think the main reason is that many Albanians come from countries where they (for good reasons) didn’t trust the government/state/society and private/criminal activity has been the only way to survive. If you have that attitude when you move to say Sweden, you are generally not going to integrate well.

    It’s a bit the same as with Roma or many Somali refugees – if you come from a clannish society you are going to have greater problems integrating in a western European society.

  11. Doug,

    Yet another good post of yours, informative but not too heavy.

    I would like to raise two (and a half) issues.

    1. EUROPEAN UNION

    I was blessed to live in the Baltic states (mostly Estonia and Lithuania, though Latvia for while too) following the collapse of the Soviet Union. I also spent some time in other former Soviet block states, but less so. Most were totally overwhelmed by organised crime and corruption for a number of years. I remember being strongly advised not to stop on the roads of Baltic states and Poland even if I see that someone’s car had “broken down” since there were a number of cases that criminal groups would pretend to have a pregnant woman in a broken car on the way to hospital and when you got out of your car they would take your car keys at gunpoint and disappear.

    What really helped these countries overcome these massive issues, remember there wasn’t much organised crime in the Soviet Union so this was a new phenomenon to them, was the lure of the European Union. EU funding helped, of course, but what really helped was the fact that these countries could actually join the Union and have greater benefits as members, thus encouraging the fight against corruption by the governments themselves.

    I mean, it’s a huge, huge topic with very many interesting details, and I know I am oversimplifying things here, but the bottom line is that if it weren’t for the lure of the European Union these countries would have never made the progress they have made thus far at such a relatively short space of time.

    Now, the same European Union lure has had an effect on the “ethnic Albania” patriotic-romance. The question is: would you rather spent your energy and time working for an ethnic Albania or for the European Union prosperity. Without a doubt, the vast majority of Albanians have chosen the latter. In case you’re wondering why the Kosovar independence then, well Albanians don’t see that effort as work towards ethnic Albania, but rather as Kosovars running their own business in their own country.

    Anyhow, European Union — these magical words, has worked wonders and continues to do so on the Albanosphere, from electoral reforms in Albania (a very serious issue), to Albanians in Macedonia opposing separation of the country, to Kosovar Albanians opposing any idea of joining with Albania or part of Macedonia as well as internal political reforms that are too many to mention. The point here is that without the lure of the European Union very many political developments would not have taken place and the progress achieved or to be achieved would have been smaller.

    The idea is to develop some prosperity that people value. Once that stage is achieved then people will not want to risk their property in pursuit of some patriotic-romantic ideas. If you’re poor on the other hand, have little or nothing to lose then you’re more willing to risk and fight for something that you believe to be a historical injustice.

    1 + 1/2. KOSOVO AND MOLDOVA

    Just a small point here. Moldova has been an independent state for over 15 years and it is somewhat unfair to compare Kosovo with Moldova today. It is also not realistic to say that compare Kosovo in 15 years time with Moldova today because we’re all living now, however to get a better picture of developments on the ground Kosovo has to be given a few years of more-or-less running its own business before it is judged how well it is really doing.

    2. ALBANIANS AND RELIGION

    Albanians in the entire Albanosphere have an excellent inter-religious record as far as Albanians of different religions are concerned. You were absolutely right to point out that the awful attacks on religious buildings in Kosovo took place not because they belonged to a particular religion but because they belonged to a particular ethnic group.

    However, the point I will want to make here is what happened to the threats of Kosovo becoming the hotbed of world Islamic terror in the heart of Europe? I have read countless times from Serb and pro-Serb commentators and even government officials that if Kosovo becomes independent it will become a haven for Islamists from all over the world. The Saudis were supposed to take over. It was going to be turned into a West vs Islam conflict. Threats so great that it’s difficult to describe.

    Well, thus far out of 38 countries that have recognised Kosovo as an independent and sovereign state only 5 are Muslim-majority countries. Not a single country from the Middle East has regonised Kosovo. What happened? Kosovo was supposed to be recognised by Yemen and Algeria first, send thousands upon thousands of mujahideen to round up the few remaining non-Albanians. Huh, Julia Gorin, where are the Syrians that were supposed to take over the land that Americans have “handed” to them?

    OK, OK, I admit. It’s turning out to be a West vs Islam sort of issue, but not the one predicted by the Serbian officials. It’s turning out to be a western recognised country that is not recognised by most of the Islamic world. And when most of Muslim-majority countries eventually recognise the independence of Kosovo what horror fantasies are you preparing for us then?

  12. Yet another good quality post on Albanians.

    Just some thoughts on some of the topics highlighted in the post.

    It is true that the structural backbone of Albanian society has been (until recently) the patriarchal family system. The patriarchal family system has been the main reason why the Albanians have survived as an ethnic entity as well as culturally. Albanians got their national identity and their state much later than their neighbors and managed to survive despite the continuous attempts to being assimilated or extinguished. The strengthening of the patriarchal family structure was a sort of solution to not having basic services from state structures which at least in Albania have always been relatively weak.

    During the communist regime in Albania the first wave of urbanization began as Albania sought to raise a light and heavy industry. The population migration was completely state-controlled and it was taken care that migrants were dispersed pretty randomly throughout the country thus weakening the patriarchal family. At the end of the 80-ies Albania had a 30% urban population the majority of which was not organized in patriarchal families.

    Also, in the last 20 years two key processes have had an equal disruptive effect on the patriarchal family in rural areas: swift urbanization and emigration. While Doug has pretty much summed the urbanization process he has left out emigration whose effect has been at least as strong as that of the urbanization. The majority of Albanian emigrants come from rural areas and rural emigration has been in Albania and Kosovo gender specific with male emigrants outweighing females. That has led to many broken marriages (something that in rural Albania was unthinkable before) and many ex-wives migrating to cities.

  13. FYI, the recent stats indicate 78% of Albanians having a Muslim identity, with 14% Orthodox Christian and 8% Catholic. About thirty years ago, the figures were put at 70% Muslim, 20% Orthodox Christian and 10% Catholic.

    Since 1999, Saudi Arabia has been active in funding the building of mosques in Kosovo, as churches have been destroyed there.

    Most Muslims the world over aren’t fundametalist terrorists. As per instances like 911 and the Moscow theater siege, it only takes a few of them to cause considerable harm.

    Contrary to the likes of Paddy Ashdown and Bill Kristol, the “Muslim street” hasn’t embraced the west for supporting the the regimes in SDarajevo and Pristina.

    With Nazi Germany as a prime example, secular nationalism can often prove to be quite murderous. Thaci, Ceku and Haridinaj not being Muslim fundamentalists shouldn’t excuse their dubious acts.

    Shame on Carla Del Ponte for withholding criminal information for the apparent reasons of politics (prevaling anti-Serb biases) and seeking to make a profit (her recently released book).

  14. “the recent stats indicate 78% of Albanians having a Muslim identity, with 14% Orthodox Christian and 8%”

    Where are these recent stats? Some cites please.

    A “muslim identity” is way to much to call those 70% Albanians which are often speculated as being muslims. Albania and Kosovo have a strict division between religion and state. The data suggesting that Albanians are 70% muslim, 20% orthodox and 10% catholic come from a census in the 1930-ties. Citing these results as still accurate does not consider the overwhelming effect of the communist regime during the rule of which religion was effectively banned in Albania. I would consider the majority of Albanians now being atheists or remotely deists.

    More generally Albanian identity has almost nothing from the different religions. This was due to the Albanian renaissance in the late 18-th and 19-th century which molded the modern Albanian identity and nationalism and which laid the ground for the foundation of the state.

  15. The 78, 14 and 8 comes from Wiki without citation.

    The 70,20,10 was referenced as late as the late 1970s if not after.

    By “identity” I’m referring to family background and not exclusively as observant followers.

    I don’t disagree that most Albanians are generally secular. This is part of a worldwide trend.

  16. “The 70,20,10 was referenced as late as the late 1970s if not after.”

    How could there be any official data at all for Albania in the late 70-ties where it is generally known that the Albanian state had officially denied/banned any form of religion and religious practices? Even more so if the relatively small Albanian clergy existing before WW2 was completely eradicated in the late 40-ties and 50-ties by the communists. Please, if you venture to give some data on religion in Albania then make sure they are reliable.

  17. This was copy pasted from Wikipedia (Article: Religion in Albania)

    “A year later, in 1930, the first official religious census was carried out. Based on Ottoman data from a century earlier, 70% of the population was grouped as Muslim, 20% Christian Orthodox and 10% as Catholic.”

    The census was then from 1930. Almost all citations on religion come from this census.

  18. The statistics from the 1930s, show the religious affiliation not of present day Albanians, but of those two-three generations ago. Talk about stale statistics. Religion doesn’t pass from generation to generation via the bloodline like the genes, and yet it’s being treated here just the same. Most people polled in that census of 1930, were coming out fresh of 5 centuries of Ottoman rule, while hardly any Albanian today has even lived a single day under the Ottoman empire. Meanwhile Albanian society has gone thru mind boggling transformations, first under the kingdom, then WWII, the communist rule for 50 years and state imposed atheism, then as a tentatively open society for the past 2 decades. People of different religious backgrounds have heavily intermarried, many others have converted into different religions especially after the communism, the mentality of the people have changed, their outlook on life and role of religion in it. We have Hoxha’s experiments of social engineering, or what was known as “the creation of the new socialist persona”, that literally turned society inside out, by moving people north and south, east and west, and up and down the social scale, to be followed by the wild urbanization of the 90’s. To even pretend today that any sort of statistics from 1930, is still valid, only betrays a hopeless ignorance. In fact, today we have no idea at all as to the percentages of religious affiliation in Albania, and that is what we know for sure. We don’t know whether Albanians by majority are muslim, or christian or atheists or simply indifferent. All we have are personal opinions, gut feelings. Hard numbers are lacking.

  19. Mr Doug, was this “some thoughts” or a description? It was good though with some minor faults, or probably better, some points that needed a clearer definition.
    What appalls me is the opinion of these “greeks” here…
    Guess the unguessable and shoot me right, one of them even said: “Can we (the west) do business with them (Albanians)?”!!!
    I mean, what painful experience could make one think of Greece as the “west”? I mean, geographically speaking, every single country is west of the other, China is west of the USA, Turkey is west of Greece, the globe is round and you can go on forever both sideswards.
    Politically, i wished to remind these greek thinkers that Greece’s admission in the EU was an act of pure charity, not an act of political righteousness, standards fulfilment or merits.
    Therefore, though you’re riding a donkey and thinking of a stallion, it would be good if sometimes you jumped off and remembered who you really are.
    Mr Doug, it would be very nice if we had some of these thoughts on the EU now.
    Why the racism, discrimination, double, triple and multiple standards. Why feeling at such ease with an extremely xenophobic and racist Greece . Why feeling at ease with the admission of 40 odd million of Poles(eg.) and so stiff with 25 million of Balkanians who really need it? Why would we give a damn about the EU when we’ve fulfilled all standards and become like Switzerland? Why not turn our heads to the US, China, Asia or Middle East… Otherwise, then the EU won’t have a thing to offer.
    How will we ever forget what they’re doing now, this treatment we’re having, this humiliation?
    Certainly I won’t, for as long as I live; and so will my entourage, the millieu surrounding me, my kids and all the rest.

  20. To zotrules:

    Let me clarify this point: In my opinion, the views expressed here by many posters, tend to be shallow and seem to be based around this question which underlies Doug’s posts, i.e. Doug and others (not greeks) ask this question “can we (the west) do business with…”. The meaning of west here is as it is traditionally used by British, Germans, Americans, etc. not as a purely geographical term, but having political and economical connotations. The inclusion or not of Greece in this definition is completely besides the point.

    “Greece’s admission in the EU was an act of pure charity. I’d like to know the opinion of some others here and especially citizens of member states. EU is definitely not a charity organization, and you can check facts and documentation on Greece’s admission to find out.

    Why the racism, discrimination, double, triple and multiple standards…: You call it that, but I see insecurity and reluctance by the rest of the EU members to accept economically, politically, socially (and perhaps also territorially?) unstable countries at this point, which was not the case of Poland or Malta or even Cyprus, despite appearances.

    – Albania is like Switzerland?

    – Greece is xenophobic and racist? Well, I suggest to the guys here to do some digging, maybe some interviewing, not just reading headlines, examine both sides of the story, and then open a new thread on this subject. I am not saying everything is perfect in Greece, far from it in fact… but extremely xenophobic and racist?

  21. I might be racist or xenophobic, Greece is way over the top peak of the summit. There’s no “both” sides to racism, there’s only one single side, – racism or racial discrimination. It is not a story, it is a term of speech used to describe exactly people and governments like that of Greece that still today deny the existence of any ethnic minority (forget about their rights!!!)
    In any case, i didn’t tell you a story so that you could analyse sides…
    Albania is no Switzerland, but in order to enter the EU she must become like Switzerland, which on her side only served as an example to the argument. You have no idea, because comfort brought to you tons of political ignorance, thence there’s no way you could know what it is like. And yes, indeed, Greece’s admission was to make her a favor, was an act of pure charity, or, otherwise, comparing to Albania, was all alms. And, if you just broke out of your shell, Greece was far from being a stable country. EU is not a charitable NGO, but for Greece has been such. And yes, you’re wrong again, with the instability, because Greece has caused havoc in Albania since 1992, continously, not just sporadically, and every stepback of Albania in Brussels is attributed to Greece and her eternal moanings.
    You are looking for facts and docummentation as though you knew Greece so well…
    Poor blind… or comic actor, whichever suits you best.

  22. To zotrules:

    I will not continue this subject on this thread as I consider it off-topic. Fortunately, this is a public discussion for everyone to read and judge.

  23. “…public discussion…”
    Exactly; that’s why you didn’t tarry to unleash your poodles to protect Greece’s “honour”!
    And it is not off-topic as Greece is connected to this topic and is greatly connected, not for other, but it is normal in quality of being a neighbor and owing this Albaniandom a great deal of territories!
    If we were to talk about the Albanian factor, or the Albanosphere, like the topic does, we could not forget Greece, and why not, let’s give a little thought to the Greek genocide and the ethnic cleansing against Albanians!
    As a matter of fact, jokes like yourself would rather prefer not to speak about such things, as they “have happened in the past”; but if I were to void Greece of Greeks and fill it with Albanians, that’d be a topic you’d wish to talk about.
    Hypocrisy and vanity, that’s the motto of the double-faced.

  24. Very well said and concisely analyzed! I fully agree with you comments Zot-rules, not because i am an Albanian, but enough is enough!

    Well, all days around i read and hear comments about Albanians, mostly inspired and fueled by Greeks and their relatives! everybody has his own opinion!
    The most backward country and corrupted in EU zone is Greece. They pretend to have a leading role in balkan region. Mostly they have conflicts and disputes with all neighbor countries( Turkey, Macedonia, Albania, even Bulgaria!
    Just to remind them on how similar or sometime even worst they are!
    How many greek gays and fucking pederasts there are in Athens Streets. some one will tell me, this is modernization and trend in Europe. Then i will say i don’t want to to be part of this Perverse europe, even they will name me as an Ignorant or Mountaineer.

    I am convenient that Albania has major problem ahead to solve. But, some one tell me, who is one country in this world where we all leave and is problem-free. Every country has his own specific problems to solve, being this US , UK, or Germany, or Albania or even Greece. To the end, i will say Leave Albania and Albanians Alone. They don’t give a shit what the others say about them. Engage yourself in your internal affairs, rather to discus about albanians!

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  26. All Serbian and Greek Thives talk trash about Albania.They know that they have to give back what they stole from Albania.There is no more sovijet union to help you keep the stolen goods from Albanians.Cameria was Albanian all the way to Arta.Half of todays serbia was Albanian land.Nish and Sanxhak was pure Albanian just 200 years ago.Serbs came from russians Carpats in the Balkans and they are not Europen Race and thats why they are so anti European.The history remembers you serbs and greeks for wars and crimes only.The world would have been way better without you.

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