Somalia: As if the West’s lack of concern could be plainer

So now, according to CNN, the US and various others are now talking about paying for an African Union peacekeeping force for Somaila. They just had some wanker on talking about how Somalia is a place where children don’t got to school, they join militias, where there’s no law and order, where “there’s been too much chaos for too long.”

Gee, fifteen years of it and only now they notice.

Of course, this “Islamic Court Union” seems to be the cause of all this new concern. As long as Somalia was a non-sectarian disaster area, or as long as it was merely unpleasant warlords in charge, it was just too hard to try to fix any of the country’s problems. But if an organization that claims adherence to a religion takes over, well, then we have to do something.

There’s a reasonable case for saying that outside intervention in Somalia is a bad idea – it hasn’t worked really well in the past. And, there’s a reasonable case for intervening on humanitarian grounds – the country really is an awful mess. But I really don’t see how there’s more of an argument for intervention today than there was a year ago. If anything, there’s a better argument against inteverntion. This “Islamic Court Union” seems to be relatively competent at reinstalling law and order, and has not so far (at least to the best of my knowledge) started chopping off hands or forcing women to wear burkas. In that part of the world, that may well be the best realizable outcome. The locals seem to prefer it to the US-backed association of local warlords the ICU displaced.

12 thoughts on “Somalia: As if the West’s lack of concern could be plainer

  1. There’s a reasonable case for saying that outside intervention in Somalia is a bad idea – it hasn’t worked really well in the past.

    Our security forces work for us, not Somalia. The question is whether Somalia is harboring enemies.

  2. Oliver, no. The question is whether or not they’re harboring enemies that are worth the ruinous mess doing something about it would cost. The answer is probably no.

  3. And, whether or not the same old gang who made Somalia the hellhole it is can be trusted when they suddenly start seeing terrorists under the bed. It’s every modern warlord’s last best chance – cry jihadis and the sky fills with guns and bags of cash. These people are duplicitous, brutal scum, in case you missed it – they doublecrossed the US once before, what makes you think they can be trusted now?

  4. It’s absolutely remarkable. When BBC World interviews an independent commenter on Somalia, they are without exception dead set against military intervention by anybody, including the African Union, at least under present conditions. And every UK or American government figure is giving this line that there has to be intervention unless the ICU recognizes the US-backed transitional government.

    This makes the rumors of Ethiopian forces crossing the border look awfully ominous.

  5. >The question is whether Somalia is harboring >enemies.

    >hellhole

    Intervention in Somalia? Lack of concern for Somalia? OK, worth discussing, just as Iraq’s brutal dictator was worth discussing. But are we or are we not agreed that the government of the Sudan (while, by the way, slaughtering more of their people than Saddam or the Somalian warlords ever dreamed of) has actually met with and kindly hosted Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind 9/11?

    And if we’re not agreed on that, Frontline did a special on it. Before we ever _considered_ punishing Iraq’s dictator, we should have gotten rid of the Sudan’s government, who had connections with the 9/11 leader. No?

  6. Some of the African Union peacekeeping troops may come from Sudan. If you’re getting peacekeepers from Sudan, you *must* be in mighty bad shape!

  7. I’ve seen one argument, which I found pretty persuasive, that Somalia’s current conditions are better than they were before Somalia became a “failed state.”

    The BBC’s profile of the Islamic Courts Union makes it quite obvious that they are pushing the same kinds of things Islamic radical groups push worldwide.

    There are 11 autonomous courts in Mogadishu, some of which have periodically tried to clamp down on robbery, drugs and what they say are pornographic films being shown in local video houses.

    I’m in favor of staying the heck out of Somalia, but I’m not deluding myself that the Islamic Courts Union is better than “anarchy.”

  8. Harboring terrorists? Getting rid of dictators? Worried about Burkas?

    Take your heads off your asses. Somalia may be a hellhole but it is THEIR country. The rest of the world should listen to their people and try to help in the way they think is more convenient. They neeed a governement that actually represents their culture and sentiment, not a puppet democracy and politically correct (to the arrogant west) anti-islamic laws.

    The West should help in such a reconstruction or stay out and stop looking for fronting scapegoats in the form of terrorists. Because in the end, they are everywhere. Who can tell me George Bush isn’t one? To many, he is. The US and the EU do have WMDs. No one dares objecting it though.

    I highly doubt that the top priority of any of the rivaling militias that control the government in Somalia is launching a terrorist strike on the US.

  9. Harboring terrorists? Getting rid of dictators? Worried about Burkas?

    Take your heads off your asses. Somalia may be a hellhole but it is THEIR country. The rest of the world should listen to their people and try to help in the way they think is more convenient. They neeed a governement that actually represents their culture and sentiment, not a puppet democracy and politically correct (to the arrogant west) anti-islamic laws.

    The West should help in such a reconstruction or stay out and stop looking for fronting scapegoats in the form of terrorists. Because in the end, they are everywhere. Who can tell me George Bush isn’t one? To many, he is. The US and the EU do have WMDs. No one dares objecting it though.

    I highly doubt that the top priority of any of the rivaling militias that control the government in Somalia is launching a terrorist strike on the US.

  10. Basically I couldn’t give a fuck about somalians. There are plenty of them where I live in England and they all seem to have loads of little somalian kids with them who are so young they were probably born here. The older ones hang around the streets at night in groups making it unsafe for non muslamicshite like me to walk around in my own town. But send the scum to me one at a time and I would show them what they already know: they are skinny, useless fuckers who are no good without their mad mullah mates.

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