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Agreed that converts, because of the factor of choice, are more likely to be radical than people born into the faith. What proportion of converts? Back to the original commenter, what proportion of people of mixed background are going to be radicals? Do they have _any_ statistics?

1.9 children is not “quite a few children.”

Many Turks marry Western women and their children are Muslim.

From what little I know, Turks in Germanic Europe are considerably more endogamous than Maghrebins in Latin Europe. Cites, please?

Being from a mixed marriage doesn’t make them assimilated (see the shoebomber case).

That speaks about Reid. How typical is he?

The fertility rate among German Turks is 1.9, compared to 1.3 for ethnic Germans, compared to the 2.1 nmecessary for long-term population stability.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,414520,00.html

I don’t want tho convert them to anything. All I am trying to tell is that certain aspects of their religion are not compatible with assimilation. Some of my Muslim friends tell me in private that they disagree with killing for apostasy although in practice such killing is limited since very few dare to take the path. I believe there was one guy in Afghaninstan who was quickly sent to Italy to avoid a public-relations disaster for Karzai.

There is a bigger problem: Islam is NOT just a religion. It is a political, judicial and religious system in one. Muslims call it “the way of life”. As such, Islam considers itself as an alternative to the entire Western system of life. I am not sure how to separate the religious aspect from the political aspect of Islam. Until we know if it is possible at all, we should not take more immigrants who have no clue how to assimilate and we have no clue how to intgrate them.

As far as “outbreeding” goes (I don’t remember using this term), this is our problem. People should start understanding that there is no freedom without responsibility. In my view, by abandoning faith in God, afterlife etc., too many Europeans abandoned the idea of FUTURE and children are part of our future. This, in my humble view, is the major weakness of ideological secularism.

Clearly, religions are needed for biological survival, otherwise they wouldn’t be selected for in human societies. Therefore, to survive, Europe must chose between a religion or extinction. Between absolute values and the relative quicksand. There are two major options here: Christianity or Islam. Islam is not only a religion as I wrote above. It is an alternative to secularism and I see too few secular people ready to comprehend that.

Secularism should become what it claims to be: a political system neutral to all religions, not a quasi-religious ideology. Ongoing hostility against secularism and Christianity means working for very anti-secular system of Islam (not a religion - but the entire system). That is pretty much all I wanted to say as an intellectual who feels responsible for the ongoing demise of the West.