As for Doug(not Muir), who has appointed himself representative of “Macedonians” in Greece,
how stupid can you get? If there is such a minority, it is in their interest to distinguish themselves from greek macedonians-any greek macedonian can sue any such rep on the grounds that he cannot speak on behalf of macedonians, as greek macedonians are also macedonians and did not authorize any “minority member” to speak on their behalf.
Another incredibly stupid idea is that somwhow
Macedonia was empty of greeks(apparently “macedonians” had wiped all ancient greek macedonians out) before the Balkan wars. This was shot down by the comment on the fight with the comitadji, won by the greeks before the Balkan wars. Was it because the turks supported the greeks? Well, the greek hero of the Struggle for macedonia(pavlos melas) was killed by the turks, not the bulgarian comitadji he was fighting….

A well-justified title indeed!

Keeping up the “stupid” thing, I see Mr.Gruevski pointing out that among other things “VMRO-DPMNE will stand for supporting minority and natonal rights of “Macedonians” who live in neighboring countries as well as the US, Australia and Canada.”

And also : “We will continue talks, but will not move an inch from our position”, i.e. no change in name and no qualification of “macedonian” nation. So what are they going to talk about?

“No doubt it is; after all, there’s this province of Greece called Macedonia, right? I mean, what do you want them to call it on their maps?”

Are you joking? You didn’t understand me. Read it again. I mean that they have maps showing half of Greece being Scopjan. (and the other half turkish). The worse is that they believe these things. At least some of them.

This reminds me of the following:

Lets guess the Dog win the competition, the queen will be entertained by the highly talented thing of 2008 in Britain: A DOG, nobody has got much talent as that DOG.

One day scientists will genetically create a DOG speaking like the one in Man in Black movie. They will be compared to mankind.

IT IS HELL ON EARTH, PEOPLE!!! WAKE UP, OPEN YOUR MIND, WOMEN ARE ALREADY EQUAL TO MEN, NEXT STOP IS ANIMALS EQUAL TO WOMEN, which means to MEN, WHAT A SHAME!!

Meanwhile, I suspect there is a very simple explanation for this:

Or if they take a look of the maps that your military academy uses. Maps of the year 2019 showing half of Greece as “Macedonian”…This could be a joke, but it isn’t. It is the truth!

No doubt it is; after all, there’s this province of Greece called Macedonia, right? I mean, what do you want them to call it on their maps?

You can read my post about the history of the “Republic of Macedonia” and you will understand some things…

They are not only Bulgarians. They are a mixture of the local populations. Mostly Bulgarians and Serbs.In few words mostly Slavs.

The truth is that their “heroes”, the founders of the IMRO (Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization,)were Bulgarian.

As I said “They considered Macedonia an indivisible territory and all of its inhabitants “Macedonians”, no matter their religion or ethnicity[...]Its founding leaders believed that an autonomous movement was more likely to find favour with the Great Powers than one which was a tool of the Bulgarian government.”

In few words, they “worked” for a free “Macedonia” in order to succeed the annexation of the region with Bulgaria.
They created this idea of an autonomous and free “Macedonia”. This is the reason they are heroes in both Bulgaria and Scopje… The former claim they were Bulgarians and the latter claim they were “Macedonians”. This is the case at least for one of the founders.

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To Petar…

Since you want to call yourself a “Macedonian” I can call you anything I want. As for 2012 this is not my problem. It is you who say some things about this year. Tell us what you say about 2012…

You are not Macedonians the way you mean it. You are residents of the region but you are not ethnic Macedonians. There is no such thing. In the Balkans, there are only Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians, Greeks, bla bla… but there are no ethic Macedonians. If you want to “create” a nation then you have to create its own history too. Using the history of another nation, just because you live in the region that used to be ours, cannot be tolerated.

Mr Petar, in order to understand what is Greeks, who is Greek and what belongs to the Greeks, you have first to understand the word Greek. What is common to the Greeks? Why are they called Greeks? How did they come in the Balkans? Do you know these things? Have you ever read anything about the Greeks?

We know what God said. You should consider these things too.

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Some people cannot understand what is happening in the region. There are more than just a name. These people might understand if they read some of your books. Books used in your schools. Or if they take a look of the maps that your military academy uses. Maps of the year 2019 showing half of Greece as “Macedonian”…This could be a joke, but it isn’t. It is the truth!

Please don’t mix the population of the Yugoslav part of Macedonia with the Bulgarians. That would be at least a lack of knowledge.
One thing you should know that Hitler promised Macedonia (the San Stefano version) to the Bulgarians ruled by Tsar Boris. While collaborating with the Nazis they occupied the Yugoslav part of Macedonia and part of the Greek Macedonia too. The local population had to change their last names by the Bulgarian suffixes “OFF” instead of “ICH” which they already have done during the Yugoslav Tsar Aleksandar and later his son Petar rule in the previous Kingdom of Serbs, Croatians and Slovenians.
They had to go to schools taught by teachers brought from Bulgaria and the whole government clerk apparatus was brought from there too. Although the communists are now blamed for plenty of nasty things, they were allies with UK, France, USA etc during the WW-2. They, as partisans fought Nazi forces of the tripple axe from Germany, Bulgaria and Italy. So these partisans supported by the local population fought the Bulgarian Tsar soldiers until they withdrew from Macedonia and were replaced by German forces that stayed till the end of the war. As an irony Tsar Boris was poisoned by the Nazis for his “loyalty” toward the axe. The resistance existed in all the parts of this region, sooner or later. Unfortunately there was an idea by both Greek and Slavo-Macedonian partisans/communists after the war to convert Greece into a communist country which led to the civil war in 1947 and became a huge tragedy with consequences felt even nowadays. I believe this is the reason why Slavophone Greek citizens in Northern Greece never gained any public respect later on.
Anyway, have in your mind that there is no greater insult for the Yugoslav Macedonians to call them Bulgarians although they had some common development a few centuries ago. Even Bulgarian themselves don’t deny their Tatar’s roots. They were named by the Greeks as Vulgars (barbarians). They also widely accepted the Slavic culture, religion and alphabet, mixed with Slavic tribes and were more successful in establishing their own kingdom while the western Slavic tribes did not succeed in such process, divided in smaller feudal territories. These two ethnicities, the Bulgarians and the Yugoslav Macedonians had different developement that split long time ago and they have distinguished paths of life. I know that there are supporters in both parts of Macedonia, so called Bulgarofiles but that is a minor number. The conciseness and the written culture of the Slavic population in this region was kept and maintained by the Orthodox Church for centuries because there were no independent schools for the Slavo-Macedonians in their language during the 5 centuries slavery under the Turks and some 30 years under the Serbs until the end of the WW-2. The influence from the neighboring countries that had established their own states made them to go to Greek, Bulgarian or Serbian schools which planted different conciseness for certain number of the population that still call themselves Bulgarian, Serbs or even Greeks. The latest group are actually Rumanian nomad tribes also called Vlachos that lived in this region for quite long time (some of them populated parts of the current Albania). These Vlachos widely accepted the Greek conciseness, culture and alphabet. It’s also true that they were not always expressing their identity not because it was forbidden but because first of all most of them they blended with the Slavic population in mixed marriages or they simply were afraid of being mocked up by the society. While they used to be called Grkomans or Grkofiles before the war, nowadays they simply express they nationality as Vlachos when it comes to the national census in the Yugoslav part of Macedonia. They also have evening schools for their youngsters that want to keep their national identity, language and folklore which was hidden for a long time ago for a simple reason not to be condemned by the society.
So, the current population of the Yugoslav Macedonia is not pure Slavic but certainly not 50% Albanians as someone here wrote. The real number of the Albanian population currently is about 25% and its growing.
It really is a mixture of ethnicities as the population of most of the Balkan countries is. This region is a crossroad of the peoples’ migrations for millenniums and nobody can say we are a pure nation and screw everyone else.
I also understand that there shouldn’t be border changes in the 21st century and every citizen no matter the nationality has to be loyal to the government where resides, has to accept the language and local customs and there is no reason for irredentism as long as the basic human rights are maintained.
As for the name of the Yugoslav part of Macedonia I would leave that for the governments of both countries to decide and find a mutual solution.
Playing with someone’s ethnicity feelings is a very dangerous game that often led to wars.

Bitola Babam Bitola !
Whoa-oa-oa! I feel good, I knew that I would, now
I feel good, I knew that I would, now
So good, so good, I got you !

I will end my exhibit with this:
Love people to love you, hate people to hate you, do people what you want they to do to you !!!

Lot of Love from Petar, to all over the world and everybody who respect me as I am, not as I should be or was !
Call me Greek, call me Bulgarian, call me Albanian, call me turk, call me serbian, … but Love me and Respect me, so will I.
I think that you are cheating you by yourself (visual , I am Macedonian.

Bitola Babam Bitola !
Whoa-oa-oa! I feel good, I knew that I would, now
I feel good, I knew that I would, now
So good, so good, I got you !

Really, what is your problem with agreeing
you are both macedonian(in the sense you live there), just that you are a slav, bulgarian or north-macedonian and they are greek or south-macedonian? It would be clear, it would be
true and would close the issue.