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		<title>By: Delta Whiskey Papa</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/political-issues/just-foolish/#comment-22042</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta Whiskey Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is Russia which needs to leave its neighbors alone by retracting its blatantly illegal threats and acts of military aggression it is making against its neighbors and members of NATO. No, Russia cannot lawfully invade its neighbors. No, the United States and NATO have acted in accordance with internaiotnal law and the United Nations resolutions as peacemakers and peacekeepers. Russia's claims of doing likewise are false propaganda and just as illegal as its previous illegal invasions and occupations of Poland, the Baltic States, Czechoslovakia, and so many other states. Your neighbors and trading partners will no longer submit to Russia's abuses of their right to life and liberty. Neither should you tolerate your leadership when they threaten the life and liberty of your neigbors or yourselves. Do Russians have the will and the courage to liberate themselves and defend those liberties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is Russia which needs to leave its neighbors alone by retracting its blatantly illegal threats and acts of military aggression it is making against its neighbors and members of NATO. No, Russia cannot lawfully invade its neighbors. No, the United States and NATO have acted in accordance with internaiotnal law and the United Nations resolutions as peacemakers and peacekeepers. Russia&#8217;s claims of doing likewise are false propaganda and just as illegal as its previous illegal invasions and occupations of Poland, the Baltic States, Czechoslovakia, and so many other states. Your neighbors and trading partners will no longer submit to Russia&#8217;s abuses of their right to life and liberty. Neither should you tolerate your leadership when they threaten the life and liberty of your neigbors or yourselves. Do Russians have the will and the courage to liberate themselves and defend those liberties?</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/political-issues/just-foolish/#comment-22039</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leave Russia alone...US invaded a country so therefore Russia can invade a country (as the current justification goes..). And Chechnya is different! So there you go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leave Russia alone&#8230;US invaded a country so therefore Russia can invade a country (as the current justification goes..). And Chechnya is different! So there you go!</p>
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		<title>By: Delta Whiskey Papa</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/political-issues/just-foolish/#comment-22005</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta Whiskey Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Futility Says: 
August 28th, 2008 at 1:56 am Let’s see.

You aren’t credible because you haven’t been able to back up a single thing you said with anything resembling fact or by submitting information from credible sources."

I predicted the Russian general was a liar when he said Russian forces were not going to invade the remainder of Georgia from Abkhazia and South Ossetia. My prediction proved to be true when Russian forces subsequently invaded and occupied Georgia's Zugdidi and Senaki.

Likewise, your claim that rbnexploit and other sources are not credible when they report Russia's counterintelligence service, FSB, is not responsible for the cyberwar attacks against Georgia, Estonia, Radio Ffree Europe, and other Western targets is itself a baldfaced lie and Russian disinformation. Readers can see for themselves with searches of the Internet for the articles and technical information about the former RBN and how Russia's FSB uses RBN's former assets as proxies for plausible deniability to conduct a wide range of cyber crime and cyber warfare up to an including botnets, computer hijacking, massive phishing attacks, identity theft, and blackmail with child pornography. The readers can discover who is and is not credible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Futility Says:<br />
August 28th, 2008 at 1:56 am Let’s see.</p>
<p>You aren’t credible because you haven’t been able to back up a single thing you said with anything resembling fact or by submitting information from credible sources.&#8221;</p>
<p>I predicted the Russian general was a liar when he said Russian forces were not going to invade the remainder of Georgia from Abkhazia and South Ossetia. My prediction proved to be true when Russian forces subsequently invaded and occupied Georgia&#8217;s Zugdidi and Senaki.</p>
<p>Likewise, your claim that rbnexploit and other sources are not credible when they report Russia&#8217;s counterintelligence service, FSB, is not responsible for the cyberwar attacks against Georgia, Estonia, Radio Ffree Europe, and other Western targets is itself a baldfaced lie and Russian disinformation. Readers can see for themselves with searches of the Internet for the articles and technical information about the former RBN and how Russia&#8217;s FSB uses RBN&#8217;s former assets as proxies for plausible deniability to conduct a wide range of cyber crime and cyber warfare up to an including botnets, computer hijacking, massive phishing attacks, identity theft, and blackmail with child pornography. The readers can discover who is and is not credible.</p>
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		<title>By: Delta Whiskey Papa</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/political-issues/just-foolish/#comment-21998</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta Whiskey Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 04:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't misrepresent the facts. The reports you quoted are not inconsistent at all. 5:30AM is not when the first Russian troop column entered the Roki/Roksky Tunnel. They obviously said it is the time when the Russian troops were passing farther down the Dzara road after having already passed through the tunnel into South Ossetia, passed by Java, and crossed the Gufta bridge and beyond earlier in the night.

Even the South Ossetian officials and the Moscow news media acknowledged the Russian military convoy was already enroute to and through the 3.66 km Roki/Roksky Tunnel when the article published on the day of August 7th.

[Quote]
Russian military vehicles start moving towards South Ossetia via Roki Tunnel 

According to official sources in South Ossetia, the Russian military started moving towards South Ossetia via the Roki Tunnel. "Military convoys and armored carriers with troops are moving by the Transkam Road from Alagir towards the Lower Zaramag border check-point," the sources say...(Regnum, Moscow, 7 August 2008).
[Unquote]

The only way it is physically possible for the Russian armored and tracked vehicles to march in convoy the required distance down the mountainous Transkam highway to the Kurta bridge by early morning is by crossing the Lower Zaramag border check-point BEFORE 0000 Hours 8 August 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t misrepresent the facts. The reports you quoted are not inconsistent at all. 5:30AM is not when the first Russian troop column entered the Roki/Roksky Tunnel. They obviously said it is the time when the Russian troops were passing farther down the Dzara road after having already passed through the tunnel into South Ossetia, passed by Java, and crossed the Gufta bridge and beyond earlier in the night.</p>
<p>Even the South Ossetian officials and the Moscow news media acknowledged the Russian military convoy was already enroute to and through the 3.66 km Roki/Roksky Tunnel when the article published on the day of August 7th.</p>
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Russian military vehicles start moving towards South Ossetia via Roki Tunnel </p>
<p>According to official sources in South Ossetia, the Russian military started moving towards South Ossetia via the Roki Tunnel. &#8220;Military convoys and armored carriers with troops are moving by the Transkam Road from Alagir towards the Lower Zaramag border check-point,&#8221; the sources say&#8230;(Regnum, Moscow, 7 August 2008).<br />
[Unquote]</p>
<p>The only way it is physically possible for the Russian armored and tracked vehicles to march in convoy the required distance down the mountainous Transkam highway to the Kurta bridge by early morning is by crossing the Lower Zaramag border check-point BEFORE 0000 Hours 8 August 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Futility</title>
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		<dc:creator>Futility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let's see.

&lt;i&gt;You&lt;/i&gt; aren't credible because you haven't been able to back up a single thing you said with anything resembling fact or by submitting information from credible sources.

Case in point: rbnexploit's blog posts are in direct contradiction with statements issued by the internet traffic monitoring firm Renesys. I have linked to the relevant article in my previous comment. You may now explain why you believe rbnexploit, an anonymous blog, is more credible than Renesys.

Case in point: Saakashvili is not credible because reality seems to have a very anti-Saakashvili leaning bias. Saakashvili's quotation which you have so graciously provided &lt;i&gt;directly contradicts&lt;/i&gt; the &lt;a href="http://www.mfa.gov.ge/print.php?gg=1&#38;sec_id=461&#38;info_id=7261&#38;lang_id=ENG" rel="nofollow"&gt;official Georgian timeline&lt;/a&gt;, which has this to say:

&lt;i&gt;5:30: First Russian troops enter through Roki tunnel South Ossetia, passed Java, crossed Gufta bridge and moved by Dzara road towards Tskhinvali.&lt;/i&gt;

5:30 AM; long after the shelling of Tskhinvali had commenced. Over &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/16/AR2008081600502_4.html?sid=ST2008081700211&#38;s_pos=" rel="nofollow"&gt;six hours&lt;/a&gt; after Saakashvili's timeline: 

&lt;i&gt;At 11 p.m., Saakashvili said, he received the first reports that Russian units were passing through the tunnel.&lt;/i&gt;

But hey, don't let mere facts get in the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see.</p>
<p><i>You</i> aren&#8217;t credible because you haven&#8217;t been able to back up a single thing you said with anything resembling fact or by submitting information from credible sources.</p>
<p>Case in point: rbnexploit&#8217;s blog posts are in direct contradiction with statements issued by the internet traffic monitoring firm Renesys. I have linked to the relevant article in my previous comment. You may now explain why you believe rbnexploit, an anonymous blog, is more credible than Renesys.</p>
<p>Case in point: Saakashvili is not credible because reality seems to have a very anti-Saakashvili leaning bias. Saakashvili&#8217;s quotation which you have so graciously provided <i>directly contradicts</i> the <a href="http://www.mfa.gov.ge/print.php?gg=1&amp;sec_id=461&amp;info_id=7261&amp;lang_id=ENG" rel="nofollow">official Georgian timeline</a>, which has this to say:</p>
<p><i>5:30: First Russian troops enter through Roki tunnel South Ossetia, passed Java, crossed Gufta bridge and moved by Dzara road towards Tskhinvali.</i></p>
<p>5:30 AM; long after the shelling of Tskhinvali had commenced. Over <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/16/AR2008081600502_4.html?sid=ST2008081700211&amp;s_pos=" rel="nofollow">six hours</a> after Saakashvili&#8217;s timeline: </p>
<p><i>At 11 p.m., Saakashvili said, he received the first reports that Russian units were passing through the tunnel.</i></p>
<p>But hey, don&#8217;t let mere facts get in the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Delta Whiskey Papa</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/political-issues/just-foolish/#comment-21993</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta Whiskey Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, you want the readers to believe that no one is credible but you and Russia. Not rbnexploit, not Spamhaus, not VeriSign, not the U.S. Air Force, not the FBI, not Georgia, not France, not Estonia, not Lithuania, not Turkey, not Great Britain, not Germany, not Ukraine....

"He said that information came in late on August 7 that Russian military hardware was rolling through Roki Tunnel into South Ossetia(Saakashvili’s Account of Events)."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you want the readers to believe that no one is credible but you and Russia. Not rbnexploit, not Spamhaus, not VeriSign, not the U.S. Air Force, not the FBI, not Georgia, not France, not Estonia, not Lithuania, not Turkey, not Great Britain, not Germany, not Ukraine&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;He said that information came in late on August 7 that Russian military hardware was rolling through Roki Tunnel into South Ossetia(Saakashvili’s Account of Events).&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Futility</title>
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		<dc:creator>Futility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, rbnexploit; an anonymous blog prophesying that RBN will turn into Skynet any day now (honest), and which has been nothing if not a mouthpiece of the Georgian government throughout this little tussle. An interesting read; sadly, it has a tiny flaw in that it is &lt;a href="http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/08/georgia_clings_to_the_net.shtml" rel="nofollow"&gt;fictitious&lt;/a&gt;. 

"During the hostilities, we've seen no significant changes in routing. In particular, we saw no apparent attempts to limit traffic via Russia"

I will remind you also that despite widespread bleating to the contrary in the blogosphere, there is &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; no credible evidence (or any evidence at all for that matter) that Russian leadership had anything to do with the attacks on Estonia, and seeing how most of this conjecture relies on (at the very least) precedent, it is again entirely unfounded.

But let us forget for a minute this so-called "Cyberwar" (DDoSing the website of an odious little man like Saakashvili, after all, seems its own reward) -- I am far more intrigued about this "Russian invasion column" that Georgia deemed worthy of attack, especially since it appears to have been &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; sneaky that even the Georgian government and press hadn't (and still haven't) noticed it. Russkies may be evil, but they're certainly not &lt;i&gt;invisible&lt;/i&gt;.

I'll be honest here, your stuff reads like your run-of-the-mill "Bush did 9/11" silliness that is oh-so widespread on these here internets.

P.S. I read &lt;a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE2D7123CF931A35753C1A967958260&#38;sec=&#38;spon=&#38;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow"&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; today, which really shows in no uncertain terms the seed of today's conflict. Georgia for Georgians, indeed.

P.P.S. I really hope that HTML tags work -- if not, my post will look extremely silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, rbnexploit; an anonymous blog prophesying that RBN will turn into Skynet any day now (honest), and which has been nothing if not a mouthpiece of the Georgian government throughout this little tussle. An interesting read; sadly, it has a tiny flaw in that it is <a href="http://www.renesys.com/blog/2008/08/georgia_clings_to_the_net.shtml" rel="nofollow">fictitious</a>. </p>
<p>&#8220;During the hostilities, we&#8217;ve seen no significant changes in routing. In particular, we saw no apparent attempts to limit traffic via Russia&#8221;</p>
<p>I will remind you also that despite widespread bleating to the contrary in the blogosphere, there is <i>still</i> no credible evidence (or any evidence at all for that matter) that Russian leadership had anything to do with the attacks on Estonia, and seeing how most of this conjecture relies on (at the very least) precedent, it is again entirely unfounded.</p>
<p>But let us forget for a minute this so-called &#8220;Cyberwar&#8221; (DDoSing the website of an odious little man like Saakashvili, after all, seems its own reward) &#8212; I am far more intrigued about this &#8220;Russian invasion column&#8221; that Georgia deemed worthy of attack, especially since it appears to have been <i>so</i> sneaky that even the Georgian government and press hadn&#8217;t (and still haven&#8217;t) noticed it. Russkies may be evil, but they&#8217;re certainly not <i>invisible</i>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be honest here, your stuff reads like your run-of-the-mill &#8220;Bush did 9/11&#8243; silliness that is oh-so widespread on these here internets.</p>
<p>P.S. I read <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE2D7123CF931A35753C1A967958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">this article</a> today, which really shows in no uncertain terms the seed of today&#8217;s conflict. Georgia for Georgians, indeed.</p>
<p>P.P.S. I really hope that HTML tags work &#8212; if not, my post will look extremely silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Delta Whiskey Papa</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/political-issues/just-foolish/#comment-21979</link>
		<dc:creator>Delta Whiskey Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact, not fiction. See the tracemap of the cyberattack coming from Russia at rbnexploit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact, not fiction. See the tracemap of the cyberattack coming from Russia at rbnexploit</p>
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		<title>By: Delta Whiskey Papa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Delta Whiskey Papa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was proven to not be fiction when I predicted the previous day that the Russian Army would enter Georgia to capture Zugdida, despite a Russian general's public promises Russia would not do so. It was also proven to not be fiction when I predicted the Russian Army would either resume the offensive to capture the remainder of Georgia within 72 hours, or else would cancel the offensive and not honor the ceasefire agreement to withdraw from Georgia without prolonged stalling.

Now here is one of many credible sources with evidence of the Russian cyber attacks prior to any Georgian responses.

[QUOTE]
The individuals with direct responsibility for carrying out the cyber "first strike" on Georgia is a RBN (Russian Business Network) operative named Alexandr A. Boykov of Saint Petersburg, Russia. Also involved in the attack was a programmer and spammer from Saint Petersburg named Andrew Smirnov. These men are leaders of RBN sections and are not "script-kiddies" or "hacktivists" (as some have maintained of the cyber attacks on Georgia).
[....]
Further investigation of Mr. Boykov and Mr. Smirnov are likely to implicate the Russian authorities in the cyber first strike.

http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was proven to not be fiction when I predicted the previous day that the Russian Army would enter Georgia to capture Zugdida, despite a Russian general&#8217;s public promises Russia would not do so. It was also proven to not be fiction when I predicted the Russian Army would either resume the offensive to capture the remainder of Georgia within 72 hours, or else would cancel the offensive and not honor the ceasefire agreement to withdraw from Georgia without prolonged stalling.</p>
<p>Now here is one of many credible sources with evidence of the Russian cyber attacks prior to any Georgian responses.</p>
<p>[QUOTE]<br />
The individuals with direct responsibility for carrying out the cyber &#8220;first strike&#8221; on Georgia is a RBN (Russian Business Network) operative named Alexandr A. Boykov of Saint Petersburg, Russia. Also involved in the attack was a programmer and spammer from Saint Petersburg named Andrew Smirnov. These men are leaders of RBN sections and are not &#8220;script-kiddies&#8221; or &#8220;hacktivists&#8221; (as some have maintained of the cyber attacks on Georgia).<br />
[....]<br />
Further investigation of Mr. Boykov and Mr. Smirnov are likely to implicate the Russian authorities in the cyber first strike.</p>
<p><a href="http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rbnexploit.blogspot.com/</a><br />
[UNQUOTE]</p>
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		<title>By: Futility</title>
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		<dc:creator>Futility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DWP, do you write anything other than fiction?

Matthijs -- since you seem to be reading Slashdot, then perhaps the term "FUD" will also ring a bell. First, how exactly would a DDOS attack from Russia be stopped by not allowing Georgians to access Russian websites? You'd have no problems accessing Georgian sites from Russia, which is all that's needed for DDOS anyway (not to mention the availability of proxies and zombie networks abroad). Second, Russian internet isn't blocked in its entirety, as far as I know -- only particular (news)websites. Douglas should be able to confirm or deny.

No, the reason for this is simple -- information control. Read, for example http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSLJ36223120080819 -- two reasons are listed: threats from viruses (which is ridiculous), and "disinformation" (which is damning).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DWP, do you write anything other than fiction?</p>
<p>Matthijs &#8212; since you seem to be reading Slashdot, then perhaps the term &#8220;FUD&#8221; will also ring a bell. First, how exactly would a DDOS attack from Russia be stopped by not allowing Georgians to access Russian websites? You&#8217;d have no problems accessing Georgian sites from Russia, which is all that&#8217;s needed for DDOS anyway (not to mention the availability of proxies and zombie networks abroad). Second, Russian internet isn&#8217;t blocked in its entirety, as far as I know &#8212; only particular (news)websites. Douglas should be able to confirm or deny.</p>
<p>No, the reason for this is simple &#8212; information control. Read, for example <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSLJ36223120080819" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/internetNews/idUSLJ36223120080819</a> &#8212; two reasons are listed: threats from viruses (which is ridiculous), and &#8220;disinformation&#8221; (which is damning).</p>
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