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		<title>By: Watchthisfree</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/some-thoughts-on-greater-albania-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-52365</link>
		<dc:creator>Watchthisfree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 14:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Letmewatchthis TV...&lt;/strong&gt;

handy data. hope to see additional superior posts in the future....</description>
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<p>handy data. hope to see additional superior posts in the future&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: zotrules</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/some-thoughts-on-greater-albania-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-22248</link>
		<dc:creator>zotrules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In what way does Serbia have a horrible economy?
In the way that they can still produce cars, airplanes, household electro-appliances and almost everything else?
Or in the way that a sack of the best wheat flour you can find, in Serbia costs 50 Euro cents?
In what way? Please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what way does Serbia have a horrible economy?<br />
In the way that they can still produce cars, airplanes, household electro-appliances and almost everything else?<br />
Or in the way that a sack of the best wheat flour you can find, in Serbia costs 50 Euro cents?<br />
In what way? Please?</p>
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		<title>By: Landi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Landi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 01:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, 
By the powers vested in me...you are an honorary Albanian citizen ;-). You have certainly got the Albanian society down, give or take a few minor subjective  points. 

On immigration: many Albanians are seeing that by the time taxes, rent, and all the expenses are paid in Italy and Greece one barely saves 50 euros a month. Albania is poor but all Albanians have a home there (many are brand new as well) and expenses are non-existent when compared to Western Europe. You can live very comfortably with an extra $200-300 a month in an Albanian village with barely no taxes, growing your own raki, veggies, meat, fruits, milk, cheese etc etc etc. Some have already sold land and stand to gain even more as tourism picks up. Many have parents with pensions as well so combined with strict immigration enforcements and very few benefits, it makes no sense going to Italy. You work a day here and there and live even better in Albania, among your people. 

Let&#039;s hope that in 3-5 years Albanians will serve the western tourists, in Albania and not Greece or Italy. The railway bothers me as well; it would have been much easier to add at the same time as the road, but maybe they panicked at the sum. $1 Billion for the road was pushing Albanian limits as well. On the positive side, MK will probably choose Durres as its port too, thanks to economic advantages and some MK-Albanian pressure, making Albania an important hub. 

On pop: Serbia has the 4th OLDEST population in the world, and a horrible economy, meaning it probably stands to drop more as it improves. They have as many 15 year olds as 60 years olds, a demographic nightmare, especially since the new generation is doomed as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,<br />
By the powers vested in me&#8230;you are an honorary Albanian citizen <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . You have certainly got the Albanian society down, give or take a few minor subjective  points. </p>
<p>On immigration: many Albanians are seeing that by the time taxes, rent, and all the expenses are paid in Italy and Greece one barely saves 50 euros a month. Albania is poor but all Albanians have a home there (many are brand new as well) and expenses are non-existent when compared to Western Europe. You can live very comfortably with an extra $200-300 a month in an Albanian village with barely no taxes, growing your own raki, veggies, meat, fruits, milk, cheese etc etc etc. Some have already sold land and stand to gain even more as tourism picks up. Many have parents with pensions as well so combined with strict immigration enforcements and very few benefits, it makes no sense going to Italy. You work a day here and there and live even better in Albania, among your people. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that in 3-5 years Albanians will serve the western tourists, in Albania and not Greece or Italy. The railway bothers me as well; it would have been much easier to add at the same time as the road, but maybe they panicked at the sum. $1 Billion for the road was pushing Albanian limits as well. On the positive side, MK will probably choose Durres as its port too, thanks to economic advantages and some MK-Albanian pressure, making Albania an important hub. </p>
<p>On pop: Serbia has the 4th OLDEST population in the world, and a horrible economy, meaning it probably stands to drop more as it improves. They have as many 15 year olds as 60 years olds, a demographic nightmare, especially since the new generation is doomed as well.</p>
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		<title>By: finish</title>
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		<dc:creator>finish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;am ok with zotrules analyse.God protects albanian cause this time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;am ok with zotrules analyse.God protects albanian cause this time!</p>
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		<title>By: Laert</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/some-thoughts-on-greater-albania-part-1/comment-page-2/#comment-20333</link>
		<dc:creator>Laert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s go back to the topic please. 

Nice comments anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s go back to the topic please. </p>
<p>Nice comments anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: zotrules</title>
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		<dc:creator>zotrules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any hopes to get to read the next article anytime soon Mr Doug?
ssankyou. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any hopes to get to read the next article anytime soon Mr Doug?<br />
ssankyou. <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: eni</title>
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		<dc:creator>eni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm...funny. I&#039;m from Tirana and during the war I still lived in Tirana. There may have been few cases of rich Kosovans being astonished by the state in which they found Albania but the majority of the refugees came in a desperate state (only with their clothes on or without knowing where their relatives were) and were hosted either by citizens or in the refugee camps. They were certainly far from being arrogant. 

What&#039;s more interesting is that the few months that Kosovans stayed in Albania have contributed more than maybe years/decades of open borders. There are now relatively strong ties between many hosting families and the Kosovans they hosted (marriages, regular visits on special occasions etc.).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm&#8230;funny. I&#8217;m from Tirana and during the war I still lived in Tirana. There may have been few cases of rich Kosovans being astonished by the state in which they found Albania but the majority of the refugees came in a desperate state (only with their clothes on or without knowing where their relatives were) and were hosted either by citizens or in the refugee camps. They were certainly far from being arrogant. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s more interesting is that the few months that Kosovans stayed in Albania have contributed more than maybe years/decades of open borders. There are now relatively strong ties between many hosting families and the Kosovans they hosted (marriages, regular visits on special occasions etc.).</p>
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		<title>By: Wim Roffel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wim Roffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the view of some people I spoke to in Albania a few years ago. What maybe made the difference between the people you saw and the people I saw was that they lived far from the border. I would expect the refugees who manage to get far from the border to be on average richer and higher class.

And Albania in 1999 was a bit of a mess. Much of the destruction of the 1997 pyramid riots was still visible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the view of some people I spoke to in Albania a few years ago. What maybe made the difference between the people you saw and the people I saw was that they lived far from the border. I would expect the refugees who manage to get far from the border to be on average richer and higher class.</p>
<p>And Albania in 1999 was a bit of a mess. Much of the destruction of the 1997 pyramid riots was still visible.</p>
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		<title>By: eni</title>
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		<dc:creator>eni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Kosovars were astonished by the backwardness and poverty of the Albanians while many Albanians found the Kosovars arrogant and ungrateful.&quot;

I was in Albania during the Kosovo War and I was not aware of locals finding Kosovo Albanians arrogant and ungrateful. On what ground do you base your assertion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Kosovars were astonished by the backwardness and poverty of the Albanians while many Albanians found the Kosovars arrogant and ungrateful.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was in Albania during the Kosovo War and I was not aware of locals finding Kosovo Albanians arrogant and ungrateful. On what ground do you base your assertion?</p>
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		<title>By: Wim Roffel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wim Roffel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.razvoj.sr.gov.yu/SED/2007/Septembar/a03e.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Birth rates in Serbia&lt;/a&gt; are one of the lowest in the world (around 1.39). So they have a real problem.

As for Greater Albania (or Ethnic Albania, as the local map producers tend to call it) I think your focus is too static. Albanians may now be richer than Kosovars, but when Albania was flooded with refugees in 1999 it were the Kosovars who were astonished by the backwardness and poverty of the Albanians while many Albanians found the Kosovars arrogant and ungrateful. So things can change very fast.

And - as German reunification shows - in these kind of things people tend not to be stingy.

There is also the dynamics of ethnic conflict. Macedonias Albanians may now seem to resign in being part of Macedonia. But what happens when Kosovo&#039;s status has been settled and there is now longer a need for all those unemployed fighters to stay home? They go to Macedonia, kill a few cops, the Macedonian police reacts and before you know it you have a polarisation were the Albanians are like one man behind separatist demands.

The border between Kosovo and Albania is already &lt;a href=&quot;http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/04/nato_final_solution.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quite open&lt;/a&gt;. My expectation is that formal unification will be postponed as long as there are other more urgent nationalistic projects (recognition of Kosovo, Presevo, Macedonia). Whether we will see in the end a unification may also depend on local politics: maybe Berisha will find it one day an easy way to extend his northern power base.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.razvoj.sr.gov.yu/SED/2007/Septembar/a03e.htm" rel="nofollow">Birth rates in Serbia</a> are one of the lowest in the world (around 1.39). So they have a real problem.</p>
<p>As for Greater Albania (or Ethnic Albania, as the local map producers tend to call it) I think your focus is too static. Albanians may now be richer than Kosovars, but when Albania was flooded with refugees in 1999 it were the Kosovars who were astonished by the backwardness and poverty of the Albanians while many Albanians found the Kosovars arrogant and ungrateful. So things can change very fast.</p>
<p>And &#8211; as German reunification shows &#8211; in these kind of things people tend not to be stingy.</p>
<p>There is also the dynamics of ethnic conflict. Macedonias Albanians may now seem to resign in being part of Macedonia. But what happens when Kosovo&#8217;s status has been settled and there is now longer a need for all those unemployed fighters to stay home? They go to Macedonia, kill a few cops, the Macedonian police reacts and before you know it you have a polarisation were the Albanians are like one man behind separatist demands.</p>
<p>The border between Kosovo and Albania is already <a href="http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/04/nato_final_solution.html" rel="nofollow">quite open</a>. My expectation is that formal unification will be postponed as long as there are other more urgent nationalistic projects (recognition of Kosovo, Presevo, Macedonia). Whether we will see in the end a unification may also depend on local politics: maybe Berisha will find it one day an easy way to extend his northern power base.</p>
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