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		<title>By: Cornelius</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/minorities-and-integration/sarkozy-into-the-breach/#comment-11622</link>
		<dc:creator>Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 22:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it was you:  http://fistfulofeuros.net/archives/001709.php

To better understand social pressures in Yorkshire which might well have motivated the bombers who lived there, try these recent news reports about events in their local region completely unrelated to the London bombings:
There were significant regional variations in the number of sex offenders as a proportion of the population. The lowest was in Hertfordshire with 27 for every 100,000 in the population, while the highest was in West Yorkshire with 67.

At least your not presuming the question this time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it was you:  <a href="http://fistfulofeuros.net/archives/001709.php" rel="nofollow">http://fistfulofeuros.net/archives/001709.php</a></p>
<p>To better understand social pressures in Yorkshire which might well have motivated the bombers who lived there, try these recent news reports about events in their local region completely unrelated to the London bombings:<br />
There were significant regional variations in the number of sex offenders as a proportion of the population. The lowest was in Hertfordshire with 27 for every 100,000 in the population, while the highest was in West Yorkshire with 67.</p>
<p>At least your not presuming the question this time.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/minorities-and-integration/sarkozy-into-the-breach/#comment-11621</link>
		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely nothing to do with me - I known nothing about male sodomy in Birmingham and have no opinions on the subject.

No, it was you.  My details were wrong, point is the same:  http://fistfulofeuros.net/archives/001709.php

To better understand social pressures in Yorkshire which might well have motivated the bombers who lived there .... "There were significant regional variations in the number of sex offenders as a proportion of the population. The lowest was in Hertfordshire with 27 for every 100,000 in the population, while the highest was in West Yorkshire with 67."

But at least that time your were asking the question instead of presuming it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely nothing to do with me - I known nothing about male sodomy in Birmingham and have no opinions on the subject.</p>
<p>No, it was you.  My details were wrong, point is the same:  <a href="http://fistfulofeuros.net/archives/001709.php" rel="nofollow">http://fistfulofeuros.net/archives/001709.php</a></p>
<p>To better understand social pressures in Yorkshire which might well have motivated the bombers who lived there &#8230;. &#8220;There were significant regional variations in the number of sex offenders as a proportion of the population. The lowest was in Hertfordshire with 27 for every 100,000 in the population, while the highest was in West Yorkshire with 67.&#8221;</p>
<p>But at least that time your were asking the question instead of presuming it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"You are also the one, as I recall, who wondered why no one was talking about the high rates of male sodomy in Birmingham, England, where a number of the London suicide bombers were, inferring that sodomy was somehow related to the motivation that drove those born and bred Englishmen to blow themselves up. Hilarious."

Absolutely nothing to do with me - I known nothing about male sodomy in Birmingham and have no opinions on the subject. Your memory is plainly failing. The majority of the London bombers of 7 July - three out of the four - came from West Yorkshire, a long way from Birmingham. As best I know from press reports, none engaged in sodomy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are also the one, as I recall, who wondered why no one was talking about the high rates of male sodomy in Birmingham, England, where a number of the London suicide bombers were, inferring that sodomy was somehow related to the motivation that drove those born and bred Englishmen to blow themselves up. Hilarious.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely nothing to do with me - I known nothing about male sodomy in Birmingham and have no opinions on the subject. Your memory is plainly failing. The majority of the London bombers of 7 July - three out of the four - came from West Yorkshire, a long way from Birmingham. As best I know from press reports, none engaged in sodomy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unstated racism? What a ridiculous slur to attach to either Sarkozy or US Republicans.

Not really. I'm not going to say anything definitive about Sarkozy, because I don't know enough. As to the GOP, they built a governing majority in good part on coded appeals to subconscious and explicit racism on the part of the American public. Nixon's "law and order" campaign, his decision to coopt Wallacite voters through the "southern strategy," endless attacks on quotas, busing, welfare, tough on crime talk, etc over several decades. This was all in many ways response to the radicalization of the civil rights movement and the urban unrest of the 1960s, and predicated on peeling away Dixiecrats and suburban white moderates from the Democratic camp. 

I'd argue it wasn't until the last few years - prob. Bush's 2000 campaign - that this kind of thing has stopped. Indeed, Ken Mehlman recently apologized for the Southern strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unstated racism? What a ridiculous slur to attach to either Sarkozy or US Republicans.</p>
<p>Not really. I&#8217;m not going to say anything definitive about Sarkozy, because I don&#8217;t know enough. As to the GOP, they built a governing majority in good part on coded appeals to subconscious and explicit racism on the part of the American public. Nixon&#8217;s &#8220;law and order&#8221; campaign, his decision to coopt Wallacite voters through the &#8220;southern strategy,&#8221; endless attacks on quotas, busing, welfare, tough on crime talk, etc over several decades. This was all in many ways response to the radicalization of the civil rights movement and the urban unrest of the 1960s, and predicated on peeling away Dixiecrats and suburban white moderates from the Democratic camp. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue it wasn&#8217;t until the last few years - prob. Bush&#8217;s 2000 campaign - that this kind of thing has stopped. Indeed, Ken Mehlman recently apologized for the Southern strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 12:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unemployment rate for the under 25s in France

Is that just me, or is there little to no correlation between youth and general unemployment? Furthermore, am I imagining a cluster in the latin countries?</description>
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<p>Is that just me, or is there little to no correlation between youth and general unemployment? Furthermore, am I imagining a cluster in the latin countries?</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How exactly is that circular reasoning?

Because he is assuming what he is trying to prove, namely that unemployment is causing the riots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How exactly is that circular reasoning?</p>
<p>Because he is assuming what he is trying to prove, namely that unemployment is causing the riots.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 11:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Your engaging in circular reasoning by first claiming it's unemployment that's driving the rioters and then wondering why no one is talking about it. Logical, you are not. "

How exactly is that circular reasoning?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your engaging in circular reasoning by first claiming it&#8217;s unemployment that&#8217;s driving the rioters and then wondering why no one is talking about it. Logical, you are not. &#8221;</p>
<p>How exactly is that circular reasoning?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"he's leading half the country into the territory occupied by US Republicans: free trade, privitization, plus law and order and a bit of unstated racism."

Unstated racism? What a ridiculous slur to attach to either Sarkozy or US Republicans. Calling people who kick a MUSLIM man to death "scum" is hardly racist. As far as US politics goes, it is Democratic pundits that are explicit in their racism, caricaturing black Republicans as "house slaves" and "Sambos".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;he&#8217;s leading half the country into the territory occupied by US Republicans: free trade, privitization, plus law and order and a bit of unstated racism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Unstated racism? What a ridiculous slur to attach to either Sarkozy or US Republicans. Calling people who kick a MUSLIM man to death &#8220;scum&#8221; is hardly racist. As far as US politics goes, it is Democratic pundits that are explicit in their racism, caricaturing black Republicans as &#8220;house slaves&#8221; and &#8220;Sambos&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rupert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rupert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 08:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And remember that 22.2% is the national average rate for the under 25s so the corresponding rates in those housing estates at the periphery of the big cities in France is likely to be much, much higher. I have seen unemployment rates quoted of up to 70% in those bleak surburbs where the riots started but I cannot vouch for such figures, of course.

Two points:

1.  You don't know what's driving the rioting.  Your engaging in circular reasoning by first claiming it's unemployment that's driving the rioters and then wondering why no one is talking about it.  Logical, you are not.  You are also the one, as I recall, who wondered why no one was talking about the high rates of male sodomy in Birmingham, England, where a number of the London suicide bombers were, inferring that sodomy was somehow related to the motivation that drove those born and bred Englishmen to blow themselves up.  Hilarious.

2. The unemployment rates for the under-25's in Poland is a whopping 35%, in Slovakia its 25% and Estonia it's 20.5 % and gee, there's no rioting.  So there is obviously other reasons here.\</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And remember that 22.2% is the national average rate for the under 25s so the corresponding rates in those housing estates at the periphery of the big cities in France is likely to be much, much higher. I have seen unemployment rates quoted of up to 70% in those bleak surburbs where the riots started but I cannot vouch for such figures, of course.</p>
<p>Two points:</p>
<p>1.  You don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s driving the rioting.  Your engaging in circular reasoning by first claiming it&#8217;s unemployment that&#8217;s driving the rioters and then wondering why no one is talking about it.  Logical, you are not.  You are also the one, as I recall, who wondered why no one was talking about the high rates of male sodomy in Birmingham, England, where a number of the London suicide bombers were, inferring that sodomy was somehow related to the motivation that drove those born and bred Englishmen to blow themselves up.  Hilarious.</p>
<p>2. The unemployment rates for the under-25&#8217;s in Poland is a whopping 35%, in Slovakia its 25% and Estonia it&#8217;s 20.5 % and gee, there&#8217;s no rioting.  So there is obviously other reasons here.\</p>
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		<title>By: dutchmarbel</title>
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		<dc:creator>dutchmarbel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, the last paragraph is quoted from the article too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, the last paragraph is quoted from the article too.</p>
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