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		<title>By: Svelte Rogue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Svelte Rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 May 2006 04:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>off tangent (but is it, really?):  only whites produce Serial Killers, the kind who Plans Deliberately the suffering of another human being for their own perverse pleasure.  you won't find premeditated crimes among blacks, asians, or whatever else.  only Whites have the cold bloodedness to ruthlessly colonise other peoples and raise themselves as the Standard because of their skin colour.  

in the end, everybody sh*ts the same colour and from what i've read, there is higher incidence of colon cancer among caucasians because they don't crap every day, it seems.  so much sh*t literally locked within!

so stop bashing the romas, the gypsies, the moroccans.  sure, these groups are problems, but don't forget the systematic rape of other countries and the institutional violence against the histories of the rest of the world in order to raise the standard of first world life.

dem, your problems are Nothing compared to what others have to go through!

scott, thank you for this post.  it reveals how self-absorbed people in this part of the world truly are...  and for the record, i agree with you on many points in this post. (VB wants immigrants to integrate without understanding the special cultural values that immigrant populations can bring to their beloved flanders...  why can't these VB rightists learn to embrace the new as well?)
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>off tangent (but is it, really?):  only whites produce Serial Killers, the kind who Plans Deliberately the suffering of another human being for their own perverse pleasure.  you won&#8217;t find premeditated crimes among blacks, asians, or whatever else.  only Whites have the cold bloodedness to ruthlessly colonise other peoples and raise themselves as the Standard because of their skin colour.  </p>
<p>in the end, everybody sh*ts the same colour and from what i&#8217;ve read, there is higher incidence of colon cancer among caucasians because they don&#8217;t crap every day, it seems.  so much sh*t literally locked within!</p>
<p>so stop bashing the romas, the gypsies, the moroccans.  sure, these groups are problems, but don&#8217;t forget the systematic rape of other countries and the institutional violence against the histories of the rest of the world in order to raise the standard of first world life.</p>
<p>dem, your problems are Nothing compared to what others have to go through!</p>
<p>scott, thank you for this post.  it reveals how self-absorbed people in this part of the world truly are&#8230;  and for the record, i agree with you on many points in this post. (VB wants immigrants to integrate without understanding the special cultural values that immigrant populations can bring to their beloved flanders&#8230;  why can&#8217;t these VB rightists learn to embrace the new as well?)</p>
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		<title>By: PoliticalCritic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 May 2006 01:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know much about this specific story, but here in the states, people have been killed for their IPods, sneakers, etc.  It never really becomes an issue of race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know much about this specific story, but here in the states, people have been killed for their IPods, sneakers, etc.  It never really becomes an issue of race.</p>
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		<title>By: Charly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 01:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when are the Roma's not Catholic? They are not like the Polish were ever blue Monday you find one who isn't Catholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when are the Roma&#8217;s not Catholic? They are not like the Polish were ever blue Monday you find one who isn&#8217;t Catholic.</p>
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		<title>By: Piotr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piotr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 00:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn't really matter who the murderers were. In fact the 17-year old who is deemed to be the actual killer is a Polish Roma, and according to Polish police has been caught hiding in a residence of a rich Roma man. That also explains why the Belgian police was looking for North Africans. The second suspect, caught in Brussels, is 16 years old, Polish and white (Catholic?). So difficult to put the blame on skin colour.

Question is, whether this should imply rasicm (nope!) or rather make us think what to do to help the Roma people. Fact is, that despite living in Poland and other European countries for centuries, they are much poorer, and almost non of them reaches university education. You can blame it on the culture, but discrimination is also a fact. I recall the stories of Edyta Górniak, a popular Polish singer with Roma roots (visible). One teacher in primary school would threaten students to seat them with Górniak, "the dirty girl", as a punishment...

And another story - the EU ambassador to Slovakia, an Englishman I believe, was called off a couple years ago (2000?), after he said in a press interview, that Roma children should be forced to go to boarding schools to separate them from their traditions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t really matter who the murderers were. In fact the 17-year old who is deemed to be the actual killer is a Polish Roma, and according to Polish police has been caught hiding in a residence of a rich Roma man. That also explains why the Belgian police was looking for North Africans. The second suspect, caught in Brussels, is 16 years old, Polish and white (Catholic?). So difficult to put the blame on skin colour.</p>
<p>Question is, whether this should imply rasicm (nope!) or rather make us think what to do to help the Roma people. Fact is, that despite living in Poland and other European countries for centuries, they are much poorer, and almost non of them reaches university education. You can blame it on the culture, but discrimination is also a fact. I recall the stories of Edyta Górniak, a popular Polish singer with Roma roots (visible). One teacher in primary school would threaten students to seat them with Górniak, &#8220;the dirty girl&#8221;, as a punishment&#8230;</p>
<p>And another story - the EU ambassador to Slovakia, an Englishman I believe, was called off a couple years ago (2000?), after he said in a press interview, that Roma children should be forced to go to boarding schools to separate them from their traditions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 21:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody in the Central Europe knows that Gipsies are a problem group of population. This is not racism but pure statistics: crime, unemployment, drugs, youth pregnancies, you name it.

That said, over the last 50 years the Roma minority has been cherished by welfare state. They were given, e.g., homes for free, to the envy of the rest of the population. The outcome was obvious: total and complete loss of work ethics.

Welfare and affirmative actions lead nowhere. NOWHERE!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody in the Central Europe knows that Gipsies are a problem group of population. This is not racism but pure statistics: crime, unemployment, drugs, youth pregnancies, you name it.</p>
<p>That said, over the last 50 years the Roma minority has been cherished by welfare state. They were given, e.g., homes for free, to the envy of the rest of the population. The outcome was obvious: total and complete loss of work ethics.</p>
<p>Welfare and affirmative actions lead nowhere. NOWHERE!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Eyeopener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyeopener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Polish murderer of Joe Van Holsbeeck might well be a Polish gypsy... Gypsies are not catholic!

Also, it’s known that he grew up in the part of Brussels where mainly north Africans live, so he took their behaviour which is well known as low and aggressive.  This behaviour is demonstrated very often everywhere, every day. My daughter was aggressed by a Moroccan with a knife in the metro, asking her money. (Just to mention but one of the countless cases around.)

On the other hand, being a catholic doesn't mean being good! The jails in the catholic countries are full with white catholic criminals! The same goes about all religions (see what catholic and protestant Christians do in Northern Ireland), especially the most intolerant ones, like e.g. the Islam.

Incompatible are not only religions, but cultures too. And yes, the Islam is incompatible with the European culture. Its values are radically different from the European ones. (e.g. how it treats the woman, or the fact Islam calls the western world’s culture “Satan’s”). It claims their religion is peaceful ! It is so peaceful, that they always cope by killing, they kill even each other! One must look back in history until today and see that Islam didn’t change at all. The muslims have no notion of the word ‘tolerance’.

In the Coran you can read: “To kill one person, is like killing all the humanity, to save one person, is like saving all the humanity”. Few pages further, it reads: “If you (muslims) find the unbelievers as obstacle on your way, you must swim in their blood” ! It’s what they do.

So, the fact that the killer is of Polish roots, doesn’t cancel the fact that the north Africans are not what they show to be.

And… the Belgians generally have a soft mushy mentality, which explains why they reacted so peacefully and neutrally (with the exception of course, of the extreme right and conservative circles.

   wwwww                          wwwww
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Polish murderer of Joe Van Holsbeeck might well be a Polish gypsy&#8230; Gypsies are not catholic!</p>
<p>Also, it’s known that he grew up in the part of Brussels where mainly north Africans live, so he took their behaviour which is well known as low and aggressive.  This behaviour is demonstrated very often everywhere, every day. My daughter was aggressed by a Moroccan with a knife in the metro, asking her money. (Just to mention but one of the countless cases around.)</p>
<p>On the other hand, being a catholic doesn&#8217;t mean being good! The jails in the catholic countries are full with white catholic criminals! The same goes about all religions (see what catholic and protestant Christians do in Northern Ireland), especially the most intolerant ones, like e.g. the Islam.</p>
<p>Incompatible are not only religions, but cultures too. And yes, the Islam is incompatible with the European culture. Its values are radically different from the European ones. (e.g. how it treats the woman, or the fact Islam calls the western world’s culture “Satan’s”). It claims their religion is peaceful ! It is so peaceful, that they always cope by killing, they kill even each other! One must look back in history until today and see that Islam didn’t change at all. The muslims have no notion of the word ‘tolerance’.</p>
<p>In the Coran you can read: “To kill one person, is like killing all the humanity, to save one person, is like saving all the humanity”. Few pages further, it reads: “If you (muslims) find the unbelievers as obstacle on your way, you must swim in their blood” ! It’s what they do.</p>
<p>So, the fact that the killer is of Polish roots, doesn’t cancel the fact that the north Africans are not what they show to be.</p>
<p>And… the Belgians generally have a soft mushy mentality, which explains why they reacted so peacefully and neutrally (with the exception of course, of the extreme right and conservative circles.</p>
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o( )o    …Eye Opener…    o( @   @ )o</p>
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		<title>By: A. Oxby</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Oxby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 05:18:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Polish murderer of Joe Van Holsbeeck might well be a Polish gypsy... Gypsies are not catholic!

Also, it’s known that he grew up in the part of Brussels where mainly north Africans live, so he took their behaviour which is well known as low and aggressive.  This behaviour is demonstrated very often everywhere, every day. My daughter was aggressed by a Moroccan with a knife in the metro, asking her money. (Just to mention but one of the countless cases around.)

On the other hand, being a catholic doesn't mean being good! The jails in the catholic countries are full with white catholic criminals! The same goes about all religions (see what catholic and protestant Christians do in Northern Ireland), especially the most intolerant ones, like e.g. the Islam.

Incompatible are not only religions, but cultures too. And yes, the Islam is incompatible with the European culture. Its values are radically different from the European ones. (e.g. how it treats the woman, or the fact Islam calls the western world’s culture “Satan’s”). It claims their religion is peaceful ! It is so peaceful, that they always cope by killing, they kill even each other! One must look back in history until today and see that Islam didn’t change at all. The muslims have no notion of the word ‘tolerance’.

In the Coran you can read: “To kill one person, is like killing all the humanity, to save one person, is like saving all the humanity”. Few pages further, it reads: “If you (muslims) find the unbelievers as obstacle on your way, you must swim in their blood” ! It’s what they do.

So, the fact that the killer is of Polish roots, doesn’t cancel the fact that the north Africans are not what they show to be.

And… the Belgians generally have a soft mushy mentality, which explains why they reacted so peacefully and neutrally (with the exception of course, of the extreme right and conservative circles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Polish murderer of Joe Van Holsbeeck might well be a Polish gypsy&#8230; Gypsies are not catholic!</p>
<p>Also, it’s known that he grew up in the part of Brussels where mainly north Africans live, so he took their behaviour which is well known as low and aggressive.  This behaviour is demonstrated very often everywhere, every day. My daughter was aggressed by a Moroccan with a knife in the metro, asking her money. (Just to mention but one of the countless cases around.)</p>
<p>On the other hand, being a catholic doesn&#8217;t mean being good! The jails in the catholic countries are full with white catholic criminals! The same goes about all religions (see what catholic and protestant Christians do in Northern Ireland), especially the most intolerant ones, like e.g. the Islam.</p>
<p>Incompatible are not only religions, but cultures too. And yes, the Islam is incompatible with the European culture. Its values are radically different from the European ones. (e.g. how it treats the woman, or the fact Islam calls the western world’s culture “Satan’s”). It claims their religion is peaceful ! It is so peaceful, that they always cope by killing, they kill even each other! One must look back in history until today and see that Islam didn’t change at all. The muslims have no notion of the word ‘tolerance’.</p>
<p>In the Coran you can read: “To kill one person, is like killing all the humanity, to save one person, is like saving all the humanity”. Few pages further, it reads: “If you (muslims) find the unbelievers as obstacle on your way, you must swim in their blood” ! It’s what they do.</p>
<p>So, the fact that the killer is of Polish roots, doesn’t cancel the fact that the north Africans are not what they show to be.</p>
<p>And… the Belgians generally have a soft mushy mentality, which explains why they reacted so peacefully and neutrally (with the exception of course, of the extreme right and conservative circles.</p>
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		<title>By: Huib, Brussels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Huib, Brussels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the notable exceptions of the "Vlaams Belang"- and the Francophone "Front National"- politicians (and VLD-Senator Dedecker), Belgian reaction to the brutal murder of Joe Van Holsbeeck and the (presumed) ethnic identity of its perpetrators, has been remarkably calm and controlled. That is what struck me most and makes me happy to live in this country, and no more in the neighbouring country, where a similar incident (a Turkish boy killed a teacher, The Hague, 2005) provoked hysteric reactions of a xenophobic kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the notable exceptions of the &#8220;Vlaams Belang&#8221;- and the Francophone &#8220;Front National&#8221;- politicians (and VLD-Senator Dedecker), Belgian reaction to the brutal murder of Joe Van Holsbeeck and the (presumed) ethnic identity of its perpetrators, has been remarkably calm and controlled. That is what struck me most and makes me happy to live in this country, and no more in the neighbouring country, where a similar incident (a Turkish boy killed a teacher, The Hague, 2005) provoked hysteric reactions of a xenophobic kind.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 06:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are a little hard on Ms. Malkin... she is not against immigrants, she's against self censorship, cant, and taboos that get in the way of dialoge.  I have to admit to a vauguely racist dream/fantasy I once had about Ms. Malkin; I was shipwrecked in the South Seas and she came down to the beach to greet me in a grass skirt and a big smile.  If that makes me a beast I'll accept your condemnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are a little hard on Ms. Malkin&#8230; she is not against immigrants, she&#8217;s against self censorship, cant, and taboos that get in the way of dialoge.  I have to admit to a vauguely racist dream/fantasy I once had about Ms. Malkin; I was shipwrecked in the South Seas and she came down to the beach to greet me in a grass skirt and a big smile.  If that makes me a beast I&#8217;ll accept your condemnation.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan Don</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 02:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Nearly all crime in Belgium is, of course, committed by the roughly 97% of the population"

All crime isn't the issue here.  There are, what, 500,000 North Africans in Belgium?  How many rapes and murders in Belgium are committed by whites?  Far lower than their relative population I'll bet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nearly all crime in Belgium is, of course, committed by the roughly 97% of the population&#8221;</p>
<p>All crime isn&#8217;t the issue here.  There are, what, 500,000 North Africans in Belgium?  How many rapes and murders in Belgium are committed by whites?  Far lower than their relative population I&#8217;ll bet.</p>
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