Doug M.

Just few days ago there were this news all over the place. Original en English from the AP: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25707616/ - then, this from a paper in England: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/2304015/Rome-mayor-Gianni-Alemanno-bans-sleeping-on-street.html - and this is from Italy: http://www.ilmessaggero.it/articolo_app.php?id=8275&sez=HOME_ROMA&npl=&desc_sez= - and here, the original decree: http://www.giannialemanno.info/dett_documentipolitici.asp?ArticoloId=9102 (click on Ordinanza - second page).

Same is happening with the news you read about the roma. I am afraid that you all are reading the wrong papers/web pages. Have no idea of what the Interior Minister Roberto Maroni wants to achieve with his plans about the roma. Even some of the politicians from the opposition agree with him.

Have all a good weekend.

Who the hell is “They?”
Are you kidding?
Does this include children and elderly?

Youtube video on the Roma - NOT “all criminals!”

First of all, you cannot say that an entire ethnic group is criminal because some in that group commit crimes. there are those here in the US that believe that “blacks commit crimes” - and it is unacceptable in a democratic society that states to believe in human rights to target an entire ethnic group!

What I read on this board from those that “sympathize with the Italian government” is inconceivable in modern Europe. “Go live around them?” Them? Including children, the elderly and innocent people just trying to live their lives? There are football stars and at least one MEP that is of Roma heritage.

The only solution is integration of the Roma. And that starts first with capturing those who have committed violent crimes against Roma people and putting them in prison for a very long time!

Youtube video on the Roma - NOT “all criminals!”

Also - I have been on various forums and am considering writing a paper that will call on the European Union to do something other than the Commission investigate for compliance with Community laws. What needs to happen is some kind of forceful action against Italy, such as suspension of EU membership. Europe should not tolerate the emergence of fascism and ethnic cleaning in Europe. Also, in order to regain EU membership - Italy’s police forces would be under monitoring and perhaps there needs to be retraining of police forces in Italy altogether by a Europol mission as in Chad and the Balkans . Also, there should be a monitoring of the hate mongering politicians for hate speech.

We really should scratch our heads and figure out how this kind of fascist regime is tolerated in modern Europe?

Those that think that this treatment of the Roma by the Berlusconi Regime is a good thing probably would agree also that the way Slobodan Milosevic treated Kosovar Albanians was also just and a good thing!

Let’s see… “People without the permesso di sogorno should leave the country,”

Well, you do evidently.

, but to where they belong.

And where would that be ? I’ll avoid invoking Godwin (too late) and just point out they’re nomads. They belong nowhere and everywhere. Including Italy.

This seem to be a difficult concept to grasp for you. If you burn their slums, they’ll just move and settle a bit farther, which will make another slum. And the more of their stuff you destroy, the poorer they are, and the more difficult it becomes for them to move. So you’re not making them leave, you’re just generating a more and more impoverished population. And guess what impoverished populations do. Why yes, they beg and steal.

Face it, there are only two solutions. Well, three if you include doing nothing : status quo, integration, and extermination.

One of those was tried already and apparently didn’t work that well. Also, it’s evil.

If you think the Roma are being unfairly characterized by me, then I suggest you go and live around them for a while.

I’ve got no idea as I haven’t lived around Roma. Well, I’ve walked past camps of them on the way to school sometimes when I was young and never noticed anything bad about them.

However, even if they’re as bad as you say, marginalizing them further won’t solve anything. Unless you intend to go all the way.

Just because you’re bad doesn’t mean you can’t denounce it when someone else does something evil. Besides, there are Roma everywhere. Are you suggesting they should all be carted off to one country ?

What’s wrong with fingerprinting?

Well, it can be argued to be a violation of privacy. Your turn : what’s good about fingerprinting people based exclusively on ethnicity ? If you want to fingerprint criminals, then fingerprint criminals. Or all young men between 15 and 25, aren’t they a high risk group for crime too ?

However if fingerprinting roma allows the italian authorities to force roma to do such recidivist, throwback things as sending their children to school, not making their children prostitute themselves, and to refrain from beating up and thieving from law abiding citizens, and so on, then more power to them.

Maybe. But I don’t believe your premise. Could you please explain the logistics of how fingerprinting helps force people to send their children to school ?