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		<title>By: Voices without Votes &#187; Blogs : 23rd September</title>
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		<dc:creator>Voices without Votes &#187; Blogs : 23rd September</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (part II) Open Europe Blog (en)Soviet grocery stores: how it was. Vitaliy, The 8th CircleBlonde on blonde: State elections in Bavaria. Douglas Muir, A Fistful of Euros (en)Forza Flandria ! Jean Quatremer, Les Coulisses de Bruxelles [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (part II) Open Europe Blog (en)Soviet grocery stores: how it was. Vitaliy, The 8th CircleBlonde on blonde: State elections in Bavaria. Douglas Muir, A Fistful of Euros (en)Forza Flandria ! Jean Quatremer, Les Coulisses de Bruxelles [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kathrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You presume too much and are snarky yetrest ground none of it in fact! Iam actually german, not american! I was born and raised in germany and not all germans are light with blue eyes! Perhaps its worth taking a trip there versus listening to antiquated and nostalgic notions about what germany used to be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You presume too much and are snarky yetrest ground none of it in fact! Iam actually german, not american! I was born and raised in germany and not all germans are light with blue eyes! Perhaps its worth taking a trip there versus listening to antiquated and nostalgic notions about what germany used to be!</p>
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		<title>By: kathrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 01:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You presume too much and are snarky yetrest ground none of it in fact! I was born and raised in germany and not all germans are light with blue eyes! Perhaps its worth taking a trip there versus listening to antiquated and nostalgic notions about what germany used to be!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You presume too much and are snarky yetrest ground none of it in fact! I was born and raised in germany and not all germans are light with blue eyes! Perhaps its worth taking a trip there versus listening to antiquated and nostalgic notions about what germany used to be!</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 00:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most Germans are dark and swarthy???This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. I have lived and gone to school in various European nations for over 10 years. The reason you see mostly blonde or light hiared children, i snot because of some cockamamie left wing nut liberal &quot;racist&quot; accusation, but because that&#039;s what the majority of Germans are!

Fortunately, Germans and many other Europeans aren&#039;t subjected to the ridiculous left wing communist stigma that the US is always subject to, forced to always have one woman and one black man in each and every add because of the racial paranoia.

It so happens that over 60% of Germans are blonde or light haired. Next time, do some research before making asses of yourselves about &quot;Germans are dark and swarthy&quot;. Look up statistics on light hair color among Germans and Poles, it happens to be above 60% in both cases. You only need to look at their football teams (yes, I do mean football and not &quot;soccer&quot;)

You probably saw Italians or Spaniards and didn&#039;t realize you needed a lesson in geography, like most Americans!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most Germans are dark and swarthy???This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. I have lived and gone to school in various European nations for over 10 years. The reason you see mostly blonde or light hiared children, i snot because of some cockamamie left wing nut liberal &#8220;racist&#8221; accusation, but because that&#8217;s what the majority of Germans are!</p>
<p>Fortunately, Germans and many other Europeans aren&#8217;t subjected to the ridiculous left wing communist stigma that the US is always subject to, forced to always have one woman and one black man in each and every add because of the racial paranoia.</p>
<p>It so happens that over 60% of Germans are blonde or light haired. Next time, do some research before making asses of yourselves about &#8220;Germans are dark and swarthy&#8221;. Look up statistics on light hair color among Germans and Poles, it happens to be above 60% in both cases. You only need to look at their football teams (yes, I do mean football and not &#8220;soccer&#8221;)</p>
<p>You probably saw Italians or Spaniards and didn&#8217;t realize you needed a lesson in geography, like most Americans!</p>
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		<title>By: Elections in Bavaria: Huh. &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elections in Bavaria: Huh. &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 08:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] also had elections this weekend. (I posted about the campaign last [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jussi Jalonen</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/blonde-on-blonde-state-elections-in-bavaria/comment-page-1/#comment-22277</link>
		<dc:creator>Jussi Jalonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a passing familiarity with the corpus that you&#039;ve now decided to bring up, Kathrin. I&#039;m also well-versed enough to state with some certainty that the writings you mention are not relevant when it comes to this one particular childhood memory of mine.

We were talking of one single black doctor, probably born in the 1930s; if one still wishes to insist that he may have been a native Finn, born and raised in this country... well, one would have to bear a rather heavy burden of evidence in order to support such a claim.

Yes, there were black people all over Europe in the early modern age. Precisely what one might expect, given the colonial involvement and normal migration. This, however, is _Finland_, the forgotten ass-end of the Continent.

I&#039;ll close the discussion here, but if you want to, I can e-mail you at a later date.



Cheers,

J. J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a passing familiarity with the corpus that you&#8217;ve now decided to bring up, Kathrin. I&#8217;m also well-versed enough to state with some certainty that the writings you mention are not relevant when it comes to this one particular childhood memory of mine.</p>
<p>We were talking of one single black doctor, probably born in the 1930s; if one still wishes to insist that he may have been a native Finn, born and raised in this country&#8230; well, one would have to bear a rather heavy burden of evidence in order to support such a claim.</p>
<p>Yes, there were black people all over Europe in the early modern age. Precisely what one might expect, given the colonial involvement and normal migration. This, however, is _Finland_, the forgotten ass-end of the Continent.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll close the discussion here, but if you want to, I can e-mail you at a later date.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>J. J.</p>
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		<title>By: eni</title>
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		<dc:creator>eni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, interesting point Doug :). I find rather amusing the fact that in every boy/girl group comming out of &quot;Deutschland Sucht den Superstar&quot; or similar mediatic events (Big Brother etc.) 3 out of 5 members are generally non enthic Germans. The distribution among those 3 non ethnic Germans is geographically perfect: 1 is mongoloid, 1 mediterranian and 1 african. Statistically such a distribution is of course impossible as immigrant patterns in Germany are quite different. Anyway seeing the difference between the image that medias project and the reality led me to think that even in American movies the typical diversity of ethnicity-color (think of black and white cop type of movie etc.) is just a mediatic projection. Simply put, how the country should be, not how it is. The party-posters you see are also projections that these parties are offering to voters. However, living in a German metropolis I can say that - maybe because of unrealistic models of integration offered by the media :) - the social acceptance of emigrants is rising especially in the younger generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, interesting point Doug <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . I find rather amusing the fact that in every boy/girl group comming out of &#8220;Deutschland Sucht den Superstar&#8221; or similar mediatic events (Big Brother etc.) 3 out of 5 members are generally non enthic Germans. The distribution among those 3 non ethnic Germans is geographically perfect: 1 is mongoloid, 1 mediterranian and 1 african. Statistically such a distribution is of course impossible as immigrant patterns in Germany are quite different. Anyway seeing the difference between the image that medias project and the reality led me to think that even in American movies the typical diversity of ethnicity-color (think of black and white cop type of movie etc.) is just a mediatic projection. Simply put, how the country should be, not how it is. The party-posters you see are also projections that these parties are offering to voters. However, living in a German metropolis I can say that &#8211; maybe because of unrealistic models of integration offered by the media <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  &#8211; the social acceptance of emigrants is rising especially in the younger generation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is considerable evidence that placed people of African descent throughout Europe prior to the 20th Century.  This evidence challenges accepted epistemological assumptions about the demographics and demographic changes of Europe over the last century. 

I am not going to hijack another person&#039;s blog, so if you would like me to point you in the direction of this evidence, email me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is considerable evidence that placed people of African descent throughout Europe prior to the 20th Century.  This evidence challenges accepted epistemological assumptions about the demographics and demographic changes of Europe over the last century. </p>
<p>I am not going to hijack another person&#8217;s blog, so if you would like me to point you in the direction of this evidence, email me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jussi Jalonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jussi Jalonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: that last sentence should obviously read &quot;the default assumption for a black person who&#039;s fluent in Finnish&quot;.

As I said, the age of the person would also be of some importance in making that assumption. 

Not that I would be particularly interested in &quot;where the person would be from&quot;, because well, right now, he/she is here.



Cheers,

J. J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: that last sentence should obviously read &#8220;the default assumption for a black person who&#8217;s fluent in Finnish&#8221;.</p>
<p>As I said, the age of the person would also be of some importance in making that assumption. </p>
<p>Not that I would be particularly interested in &#8220;where the person would be from&#8221;, because well, right now, he/she is here.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>J. J.</p>
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		<title>By: Jussi Jalonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jussi Jalonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, Kathrin, as I mentioned, the event that I mentioned took place back in the _1970s_. The doctor was about the same age as my mother, which means that he was definitely of the pre-war generation.

How familiar are you with the patterns of migration to Finland or the history of African-originated people in Finland? Yes, he might have been born and raised in this country - hey, anything is possible - but the odds against that are truly astronomical.

No offense, but I know something about the relevant statistics - this would be one of those things that I do for living - and on this issue, I really don&#039;t think that I need to be illuminated. On the other hand, it&#039;s certainly plausible that his country of origin might have been Sweden or Denmark. Or, for that matter, as you said, Germany.

... assuming that he had been, say, Russian or a Tatar, he probably would have been a native inhabitant of Finland. _These days_, sure, the default assumption for a black person would be that he/she is a native Finn.


Cheers,

J. J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, Kathrin, as I mentioned, the event that I mentioned took place back in the _1970s_. The doctor was about the same age as my mother, which means that he was definitely of the pre-war generation.</p>
<p>How familiar are you with the patterns of migration to Finland or the history of African-originated people in Finland? Yes, he might have been born and raised in this country &#8211; hey, anything is possible &#8211; but the odds against that are truly astronomical.</p>
<p>No offense, but I know something about the relevant statistics &#8211; this would be one of those things that I do for living &#8211; and on this issue, I really don&#8217;t think that I need to be illuminated. On the other hand, it&#8217;s certainly plausible that his country of origin might have been Sweden or Denmark. Or, for that matter, as you said, Germany.</p>
<p>&#8230; assuming that he had been, say, Russian or a Tatar, he probably would have been a native inhabitant of Finland. _These days_, sure, the default assumption for a black person would be that he/she is a native Finn.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>J. J.</p>
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