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		<title>By: craig neudorf</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1412</link>
		<dc:creator>craig neudorf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2004 07:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to Conrad....

CONRAD, A LINK TO CANADA'S PAST ECONOMY
Canadian's paid 30% extra on appliances, cars and anything else of value back in the 1960's (what else was there to buy then?)...our paternal businessmen gouged the populace blind, and our per capita income was but 2/3 of the US (not far off that again, though Canada is rebounding). Conrad Black would, I believe, be glad to have that kind of a world returned, where papers and politics could influence controllable minds.
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CANADA'S GEOGRAPHY
Tacking in a completely different direction;
70% of Canadians live at a latitude equal to or SOUTH of SEATTLE, USA ..the big country on the map is a lie that even confuses Canadians ...the main group of Canadians live in a protrusion between the states of Michigan and New York .. the rest, like a horizontal Chile, lie ribboned along the southern mountain called the USA, to the north side lays a big bowl of gruel and rice (I mean muck and ice) encompassing 3 1/2 million square miles. 
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CANADA'S HISTORY
Canada is a country that was formed for three interests,the British Empire, ex-American Loyalists who left after the revolution, and the Quebecois who did not want to be swallowed up by America. Of course, only the Quebecois reason for Canada exists today ..and they would be swallowed up like never before, yet many want to leave, and be swallowed up.
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CANADIAN POLITICS AND A "DEFENSE" OF CONRAD
Canada tried the third option under Trudeau (closer to Europe-never got off the ground), the buffer to the USA (Canadians dearly love being loved by everyone else) and will try other things to find an identity ...but Canada is merely an outdated, lovely regional twist to america....  .. and off center (US spelling of center) newspapers, even Conrad Black's, can no longer do much harm to this confused country.

CONRAD COULD EVEN BE A POSITIVE LIASON?
In fact, a touch of the 'extreme' right helps keep Canada's status as a liason or buffer plausible(Canadians would like to believe this, they really would), since a few Texan businesses combined with a few unnecessary industries (tobacco, government security and questionable defense contractors) to elect a President that would war in Iraq and lose thousands of its troops and hundreds of billions of dollars, while its allies let it twist in the winfd...surely that is a little extreme ... and Canada needs a little indoctrination to stay in touch with this kind of folly, and remain an understanding liason,   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to Conrad&#8230;.</p>
<p>CONRAD, A LINK TO CANADA&#8217;S PAST ECONOMY<br />
Canadian&#8217;s paid 30% extra on appliances, cars and anything else of value back in the 1960&#8217;s (what else was there to buy then?)&#8230;our paternal businessmen gouged the populace blind, and our per capita income was but 2/3 of the US (not far off that again, though Canada is rebounding). Conrad Black would, I believe, be glad to have that kind of a world returned, where papers and politics could influence controllable minds.<br />
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CANADA&#8217;S GEOGRAPHY<br />
Tacking in a completely different direction;<br />
70% of Canadians live at a latitude equal to or SOUTH of SEATTLE, USA ..the big country on the map is a lie that even confuses Canadians &#8230;the main group of Canadians live in a protrusion between the states of Michigan and New York .. the rest, like a horizontal Chile, lie ribboned along the southern mountain called the USA, to the north side lays a big bowl of gruel and rice (I mean muck and ice) encompassing 3 1/2 million square miles.<br />
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CANADA&#8217;S HISTORY<br />
Canada is a country that was formed for three interests,the British Empire, ex-American Loyalists who left after the revolution, and the Quebecois who did not want to be swallowed up by America. Of course, only the Quebecois reason for Canada exists today ..and they would be swallowed up like never before, yet many want to leave, and be swallowed up.<br />
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CANADIAN POLITICS AND A &#8220;DEFENSE&#8221; OF CONRAD<br />
Canada tried the third option under Trudeau (closer to Europe-never got off the ground), the buffer to the USA (Canadians dearly love being loved by everyone else) and will try other things to find an identity &#8230;but Canada is merely an outdated, lovely regional twist to america&#8230;.  .. and off center (US spelling of center) newspapers, even Conrad Black&#8217;s, can no longer do much harm to this confused country.</p>
<p>CONRAD COULD EVEN BE A POSITIVE LIASON?<br />
In fact, a touch of the &#8216;extreme&#8217; right helps keep Canada&#8217;s status as a liason or buffer plausible(Canadians would like to believe this, they really would), since a few Texan businesses combined with a few unnecessary industries (tobacco, government security and questionable defense contractors) to elect a President that would war in Iraq and lose thousands of its troops and hundreds of billions of dollars, while its allies let it twist in the winfd&#8230;surely that is a little extreme &#8230; and Canada needs a little indoctrination to stay in touch with this kind of folly, and remain an understanding liason,</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologies to other Fistful-ites for boring them senseless with this thread. 

Abiola - in the event that you're interested in a debate rather than throwing personal insults, I'm happy to continue this discussion on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologies to other Fistful-ites for boring them senseless with this thread. </p>
<p>Abiola - in the event that you&#8217;re interested in a debate rather than throwing personal insults, I&#8217;m happy to continue this discussion on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Abiola Lapite</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>Abiola Lapite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The problems come when you mistake them for people who have something to contribute..."

No one is ever going to make that particular mistake with the likes of "john b", thank God. Where's BBC tax refund, while we're at it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The problems come when you mistake them for people who have something to contribute&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No one is ever going to make that particular mistake with the likes of &#8220;john b&#8221;, thank God. Where&#8217;s BBC tax refund, while we&#8217;re at it?</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1409</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I respectfully disagree on one point - one of the best things about learning a foreign language and/or living in a foreign country is learning to curse in other languages ;-)

&#038; it's certainly good advice to ignore trolls. The problems come when you mistake them for people who have something to contribute...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I respectfully disagree on one point - one of the best things about learning a foreign language and/or living in a foreign country is learning to curse in other languages <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
&#038; it&#8217;s certainly good advice to ignore trolls. The problems come when you mistake them for people who have something to contribute&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fransgroenendijk</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1408</link>
		<dc:creator>Fransgroenendijk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although the advice on trolls ("An outrageous message posted to a newsgroup or mailing list or message board to bait people to answer. Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion") is "The best response is to ignore it." I do react on this strange discussion. This is a European Blog. So most readers (and writers even) are not native speakers of English. I learn some English too thanks to the fistful but have no intention to learn English name-calling. So it's little trouble to ignore this type of discussion !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although the advice on trolls (&#8221;An outrageous message posted to a newsgroup or mailing list or message board to bait people to answer. Trolling is a form of harassment that can take over a discussion&#8221;) is &#8220;The best response is to ignore it.&#8221; I do react on this strange discussion. This is a European Blog. So most readers (and writers even) are not native speakers of English. I learn some English too thanks to the fistful but have no intention to learn English name-calling. So it&#8217;s little trouble to ignore this type of discussion !</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1407</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the public's edification, here is a definition of troll. It does indeed appear to apply to a commenter in this thread. I shall avoid further feeding from now on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the public&#8217;s edification, here is a definition of troll. It does indeed appear to apply to a commenter in this thread. I shall avoid further feeding from now on.</p>
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		<title>By: Abiola Lapite</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1406</link>
		<dc:creator>Abiola Lapite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"However, the kind of anti-BBC obsession that leads people to agree with Mr Black's obviously untrue words above is not indicative of a terribly sensible set of priorities, in my opinion."

Since the licence fee is such a trivial imposition, why don't you reimburse me for mine, then? It's easy for trolls like you to talk big when other people's money is on the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, the kind of anti-BBC obsession that leads people to agree with Mr Black&#8217;s obviously untrue words above is not indicative of a terribly sensible set of priorities, in my opinion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the licence fee is such a trivial imposition, why don&#8217;t you reimburse me for mine, then? It&#8217;s easy for trolls like you to talk big when other people&#8217;s money is on the line.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1405</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abiola - apologies for describing you as a tinfoil-hatted loon. I should have described you as 'someone who lacks the intelligence and good manners to make a positive impact on [any] forum'. That would've been much more intelligent and well-mannered of me. 

I also should have realised that this blog belongs to you, rather than belonging to the people listed in the 'contributors' section, and therefore that you have every right to instruct me in what I should and shouldn't post.

To elaborate on my point above: there seem to be a lot of people - some of whom aren't even British residents, which is particularly bizarre - with a pathological hatred of the BBC, and who'll take any opportunity, no matter how tangential, to criticise said organisation. Only a very, very crazy person indeed (cf Mr Black) could claim that having to pay ?120 a year to fund a news source was a worse menace to the UK than Islamic terrorism, or the likely end of the Gulf Stream, to pick two random examples.

Describing people with such an obsession as "tinfoil-hatted loons" is unfair; I seriously doubt that many of them actually own tinfoil hats, or have genuine mental disorders. However, the kind of anti-BBC obsession that leads people to agree with Mr Black's obviously untrue words above is not indicative of a terribly sensible set of priorities, in my opinion.

(NB the post above in no way defends the BBC. There are plenty of arguments in the institution's favour, but these aren't needed here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abiola - apologies for describing you as a tinfoil-hatted loon. I should have described you as &#8217;someone who lacks the intelligence and good manners to make a positive impact on [any] forum&#8217;. That would&#8217;ve been much more intelligent and well-mannered of me. </p>
<p>I also should have realised that this blog belongs to you, rather than belonging to the people listed in the &#8216;contributors&#8217; section, and therefore that you have every right to instruct me in what I should and shouldn&#8217;t post.</p>
<p>To elaborate on my point above: there seem to be a lot of people - some of whom aren&#8217;t even British residents, which is particularly bizarre - with a pathological hatred of the BBC, and who&#8217;ll take any opportunity, no matter how tangential, to criticise said organisation. Only a very, very crazy person indeed (cf Mr Black) could claim that having to pay ?120 a year to fund a news source was a worse menace to the UK than Islamic terrorism, or the likely end of the Gulf Stream, to pick two random examples.</p>
<p>Describing people with such an obsession as &#8220;tinfoil-hatted loons&#8221; is unfair; I seriously doubt that many of them actually own tinfoil hats, or have genuine mental disorders. However, the kind of anti-BBC obsession that leads people to agree with Mr Black&#8217;s obviously untrue words above is not indicative of a terribly sensible set of priorities, in my opinion.</p>
<p>(NB the post above in no way defends the BBC. There are plenty of arguments in the institution&#8217;s favour, but these aren&#8217;t needed here.)</p>
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		<title>By: Abiola Lapite</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/sometimes-the-bad-get-their-comeuppance/#comment-1404</link>
		<dc:creator>Abiola Lapite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Is it the BBC's public status that particularly irks you, or its purported bias?"

To be honest, the whole idea of tax-funded media irritates me to no end, and the ?112 annual fee is a real imposition if you aren't exactly wealthy, which I certainly am not. However, if the state of affairs is such that I can do nothing to rid myself of this burdensome tax, then the least one can ask for is that it goes to fund the most anodyne, least politically aggressive reporting possible. 

I would rather that the BBC not be funded by the public purse at all, but if I can't have that, I can at least request that it be boring and unopinionated. One good thing that can at least be said about even the "Daily Wail"(1) (whose unending anti-immigrant tirades get on my nerves intensely) is that none of my money is going to support that nasty piece of prejudice-mongering. The same certainly isn't true of the BBC, which, as we speak, is actually trying to pass off a group of Italians collecting money for Ba'athist fighters in Iraq as "anti-war activists", rather than as the traitors to their own countrymen that these people actually are.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is it the BBC&#8217;s public status that particularly irks you, or its purported bias?&#8221;</p>
<p>To be honest, the whole idea of tax-funded media irritates me to no end, and the ?112 annual fee is a real imposition if you aren&#8217;t exactly wealthy, which I certainly am not. However, if the state of affairs is such that I can do nothing to rid myself of this burdensome tax, then the least one can ask for is that it goes to fund the most anodyne, least politically aggressive reporting possible. </p>
<p>I would rather that the BBC not be funded by the public purse at all, but if I can&#8217;t have that, I can at least request that it be boring and unopinionated. One good thing that can at least be said about even the &#8220;Daily Wail&#8221;(1) (whose unending anti-immigrant tirades get on my nerves intensely) is that none of my money is going to support that nasty piece of prejudice-mongering. The same certainly isn&#8217;t true of the BBC, which, as we speak, is actually trying to pass off a group of Italians collecting money for Ba&#8217;athist fighters in Iraq as &#8220;anti-war activists&#8221;, rather than as the traitors to their own countrymen that these people actually are.</p>
<p>1 - No, that wasn&#8217;t a typo &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: reuben</title>
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		<dc:creator>reuben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2003 04:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Abiola, I do agree with the substance of your first post on this topic. While I would argue that media outlets have certain moral duties, I think that enforcing those duties would be debilitating to democracy. As an example, I find the Mail's long-held views on immigration absolutely repugnant and damaging both to immigrants and to the well-being of the United Kingdom. But I don't see how those views could be fairly suppressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Abiola, I do agree with the substance of your first post on this topic. While I would argue that media outlets have certain moral duties, I think that enforcing those duties would be debilitating to democracy. As an example, I find the Mail&#8217;s long-held views on immigration absolutely repugnant and damaging both to immigrants and to the well-being of the United Kingdom. But I don&#8217;t see how those views could be fairly suppressed.</p>
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