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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/a-reason-to-love-belgium/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so then, can anyone tell me how much time I have to extend my residence visa after the old one expires? I cannot find this information anywhere and the stadhuis only says "well do it as soon as possible of course". (After losing my residence card in NYC in August and having applied for a new one--which will include my extension for year 2 of my studies--twice fruitlessly because the bureaucrats have screwed it up the application each time, I now have to apply a 3rd time. I am hoping I can wait until January as I am sure you can understand I am not really enthusiastic to jump right on this AGAIN...)

I am very grateful to anyone possessing the information!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so then, can anyone tell me how much time I have to extend my residence visa after the old one expires? I cannot find this information anywhere and the stadhuis only says &#8220;well do it as soon as possible of course&#8221;. (After losing my residence card in NYC in August and having applied for a new one&#8211;which will include my extension for year 2 of my studies&#8211;twice fruitlessly because the bureaucrats have screwed it up the application each time, I now have to apply a 3rd time. I am hoping I can wait until January as I am sure you can understand I am not really enthusiastic to jump right on this AGAIN&#8230;)</p>
<p>I am very grateful to anyone possessing the information!</p>
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		<title>By: Dermot</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/a-reason-to-love-belgium/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Dermot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2003 00:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My American wife's visa application is still on the desk of the Luxembourgish Minster of Justice, last we heard. We've only been here two years now. Though Luxembourg is a place where they send six cops to arrest a shoplifter (fact: I was standing there when it happened)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My American wife&#8217;s visa application is still on the desk of the Luxembourgish Minster of Justice, last we heard. We&#8217;ve only been here two years now. Though Luxembourg is a place where they send six cops to arrest a shoplifter (fact: I was standing there when it happened)</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Stross</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/a-reason-to-love-belgium/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Stross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2003 01:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob: Magna Carta is an English legal construct, not a UK one. In case you'd forgotten, Scotland has an entirely different legal system (based on Roman law, not Common law) that doesn't include Habeas Corpus -- there is, however, a provision in law that charges must be brought and a trial must ensue within a year and a day of arrest, or not at all. (Compare to the &gt;1 year period many remand prisoners face in England and Wales after being hastily charged but before they get their day in court.)

There's more than one way to guard the rights of the accused, and the English/American system is not automatically the best way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob: Magna Carta is an English legal construct, not a UK one. In case you&#8217;d forgotten, Scotland has an entirely different legal system (based on Roman law, not Common law) that doesn&#8217;t include Habeas Corpus &#8212; there is, however, a provision in law that charges must be brought and a trial must ensue within a year and a day of arrest, or not at all. (Compare to the >1 year period many remand prisoners face in England and Wales after being hastily charged but before they get their day in court.)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s more than one way to guard the rights of the accused, and the English/American system is not automatically the best way.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/life/a-reason-to-love-belgium/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2003 00:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott - By occasional reports on news in Britain, more than a few Belgians believe there is a cover-up but forget Dutroux. Two days before Christmas in 1998 a minor item in the BBC radio mid morning news caught my attention.

The Belgium supreme court had upheld the conviction on corruption charges of Willy Claes, previously secretary-general of NATO and before that the socialist deputy prime minister of Belgium so I started to dig a little with google and in electronic encyclopaedia. It was another party funding scandal, perhaps rather along the lines of what became Kohlgate in Germany. One thing that emerged was that a socialist Belgian MP who had blown a whistle on it was found dead, murdered. Claes was not implicated but as far as I can tell no one has been arrested for the murder.

All that started a regular interest in the scale of political corruption in western Europe. More digging led to more discoveries. Unlike American media which plays up political scandals, in Europe the scandals tend to get buried away as minor news items and get quickly forgotten. Those who become aware of the large and growing scale of political corruption in Europe tend to become increasingly wary of ever closer political integration. The Eurostat scandal in the EU Commission is yet another new chapter in this long running saga.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke - at: http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Edmund_Burke/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott - By occasional reports on news in Britain, more than a few Belgians believe there is a cover-up but forget Dutroux. Two days before Christmas in 1998 a minor item in the BBC radio mid morning news caught my attention.</p>
<p>The Belgium supreme court had upheld the conviction on corruption charges of Willy Claes, previously secretary-general of NATO and before that the socialist deputy prime minister of Belgium so I started to dig a little with google and in electronic encyclopaedia. It was another party funding scandal, perhaps rather along the lines of what became Kohlgate in Germany. One thing that emerged was that a socialist Belgian MP who had blown a whistle on it was found dead, murdered. Claes was not implicated but as far as I can tell no one has been arrested for the murder.</p>
<p>All that started a regular interest in the scale of political corruption in western Europe. More digging led to more discoveries. Unlike American media which plays up political scandals, in Europe the scandals tend to get buried away as minor news items and get quickly forgotten. Those who become aware of the large and growing scale of political corruption in Europe tend to become increasingly wary of ever closer political integration. The Eurostat scandal in the EU Commission is yet another new chapter in this long running saga.</p>
<p>&#8220;All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.&#8221;<br />
Edmund Burke - at: <a href="http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Edmund_Burke/" rel="nofollow">http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Edmund_Burke/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2003 22:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob - Dutroux is in prision right now after having been found guilty on other offenses, particularly a five years sentence for a prision escape in 1998.  nor is the account you cite terribly santised.  Rumours of high level cover-ups and corruption have revolved around every high profile murder in Belgium since the "Bende van Nijvel" affaire in the 80's.

I think you're the first person I've encountered to see a violation of Dutroux' human rights in this situation, as opposed to seeing it as a sign of the incompetence of the Belgian police and prosecutors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob - Dutroux is in prision right now after having been found guilty on other offenses, particularly a five years sentence for a prision escape in 1998.  nor is the account you cite terribly santised.  Rumours of high level cover-ups and corruption have revolved around every high profile murder in Belgium since the &#8220;Bende van Nijvel&#8221; affaire in the 80&#8217;s.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re the first person I&#8217;ve encountered to see a violation of Dutroux&#8217; human rights in this situation, as opposed to seeing it as a sign of the incompetence of the Belgian police and prosecutors.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I actually have gone out of my way not to know or care about the Dutroux trial. Last I heard, it was planned for 2004, maybe."

The exceedingly tardy progression in bringing Dutroux to trial is but one of many reasons Brits have become increasingly cautious about ever closer political integration in Europe when our starting point is this from Magna Carta of 1215:

"39. No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land." - quoted from text at: http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/magna-carta.html

Any readers who feel in need of some updating on what's behind the protracted course of bringing Dutroux to justice might try this suitably sanitised account on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/1944428.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I actually have gone out of my way not to know or care about the Dutroux trial. Last I heard, it was planned for 2004, maybe.&#8221;</p>
<p>The exceedingly tardy progression in bringing Dutroux to trial is but one of many reasons Brits have become increasingly cautious about ever closer political integration in Europe when our starting point is this from Magna Carta of 1215:</p>
<p>&#8220;39. No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled or in any way destroyed, nor will we go upon him nor send upon him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land.&#8221; - quoted from text at: <a href="http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/magna-carta.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/magna-carta.html</a></p>
<p>Any readers who feel in need of some updating on what&#8217;s behind the protracted course of bringing Dutroux to justice might try this suitably sanitised account on the BBC website: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/1944428.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/correspondent/1944428.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Frank Visser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Visser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vaara, when I moved to the UK 7 years ago (I am Dutch) nobody asked me or told me to get any kind of permit. The only form I ever had to fill in was for a National Insurance number, and only because my employer needed it.

I still remember going to the police to ask if I needed to register somewhere, and  they looked at me like I was some kind of nutter, and politely told me not to bother. Compared to Belgium, the UK looks to me to have a much saner approach</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vaara, when I moved to the UK 7 years ago (I am Dutch) nobody asked me or told me to get any kind of permit. The only form I ever had to fill in was for a National Insurance number, and only because my employer needed it.</p>
<p>I still remember going to the police to ask if I needed to register somewhere, and  they looked at me like I was some kind of nutter, and politely told me not to bother. Compared to Belgium, the UK looks to me to have a much saner approach</p>
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		<title>By: vaara</title>
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		<dc:creator>vaara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2003 20:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott: yes, that is the crux of the matter. The piece of paper being demanded by the commune is in lieu of the "attestation patronale" that my partner would be able to provide if only he had a "normal" job. 

Anyway, we'll go through the motions, but as we've discussed elsewhere, we're starting to think it might just be simpler to move to the UK, which does seem quite a bit more entrepreneur-friendly. And, thanks to the convoluted history of the Emerald Isle, the fact that his mum was born in Belfast might entitle him to British citizenship in addition to the Irish citizenship he's already claimed.

Besides, even if he gets his status straightened out, there's still the matter of getting *me* legalized, which is, as they say, "pas ?vident." But as you say, I am still far better off than a Belgian who has "overstayed" his permission to remain in the U.S. following a layoff... the worst they can do is kick me out, and as far as I know, Belgium is not currently sending visa violators to gulags located on tropical islands and holding them incommunicado.

(Note to any Belgian immigration officials who might be reading this: I'm a *tourist*. Honest.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott: yes, that is the crux of the matter. The piece of paper being demanded by the commune is in lieu of the &#8220;attestation patronale&#8221; that my partner would be able to provide if only he had a &#8220;normal&#8221; job. </p>
<p>Anyway, we&#8217;ll go through the motions, but as we&#8217;ve discussed elsewhere, we&#8217;re starting to think it might just be simpler to move to the UK, which does seem quite a bit more entrepreneur-friendly. And, thanks to the convoluted history of the Emerald Isle, the fact that his mum was born in Belfast might entitle him to British citizenship in addition to the Irish citizenship he&#8217;s already claimed.</p>
<p>Besides, even if he gets his status straightened out, there&#8217;s still the matter of getting *me* legalized, which is, as they say, &#8220;pas ?vident.&#8221; But as you say, I am still far better off than a Belgian who has &#8220;overstayed&#8221; his permission to remain in the U.S. following a layoff&#8230; the worst they can do is kick me out, and as far as I know, Belgium is not currently sending visa violators to gulags located on tropical islands and holding them incommunicado.</p>
<p>(Note to any Belgian immigration officials who might be reading this: I&#8217;m a *tourist*. Honest.)</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tobias, I do hear plenty of French on the streets of Leuven.  Much of the elderly population is francophone, and the new language laws haven't changed the places they choose to shop or the caf?s that they drink in - or the language they use in them.  Also, there are a fair number of Brussels Flemish at the university.  But if you don't know Dutch and you go into a shop, it's better to use English.

Bob - I actually have gone out of my way not to know or care about the Dutroux trial.  Last I heard, it was planned for 2004, maybe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tobias, I do hear plenty of French on the streets of Leuven.  Much of the elderly population is francophone, and the new language laws haven&#8217;t changed the places they choose to shop or the caf?s that they drink in - or the language they use in them.  Also, there are a fair number of Brussels Flemish at the university.  But if you don&#8217;t know Dutch and you go into a shop, it&#8217;s better to use English.</p>
<p>Bob - I actually have gone out of my way not to know or care about the Dutroux trial.  Last I heard, it was planned for 2004, maybe.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2003 19:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any news yet on if and when Detroux is to be brought to trial?</description>
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