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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/the-adams-family/#comment-7837</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>antnee,
Ideally, SDLP will regain the position as leading nationalist party at the General Election.
If this were to happen I think we would get a very prompt announcement from the IRA regarding meaningful disarmament or even disbandment.

If this were to happen, then I could see no reason why the "Peace Train" (or whatever Blair's latest description is)couldn't back on tracks again and we could see a devolved government back in NI within 12 months.

Unfortunately, I think Sinn Fein's vote will hold or even increase at the May5th election and they will then justifiably say that, despite the events of the last 5 months,they have still a mandate from nationalists. In this case, the pressure on the hardmen will lessen and there will be no way practically that a devolved government could still work. I think it would be back to direct rule from Westminster for the foreseeable future with an increasing Irish government involvement in areas of mutual interest.
But I could be completely wrong-I usually am!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>antnee,<br />
Ideally, SDLP will regain the position as leading nationalist party at the General Election.<br />
If this were to happen I think we would get a very prompt announcement from the IRA regarding meaningful disarmament or even disbandment.</p>
<p>If this were to happen, then I could see no reason why the &#8220;Peace Train&#8221; (or whatever Blair&#8217;s latest description is)couldn&#8217;t back on tracks again and we could see a devolved government back in NI within 12 months.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I think Sinn Fein&#8217;s vote will hold or even increase at the May5th election and they will then justifiably say that, despite the events of the last 5 months,they have still a mandate from nationalists. In this case, the pressure on the hardmen will lessen and there will be no way practically that a devolved government could still work. I think it would be back to direct rule from Westminster for the foreseeable future with an increasing Irish government involvement in areas of mutual interest.<br />
But I could be completely wrong-I usually am!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/the-adams-family/#comment-7836</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hektor,
I don't know your background,but I was born and brought up in N.Ireland. It remains a tribal society and that of course that has an effect on everybody's attitudes including my own. I have looked back on my posts-I can't see any of my comments which have demonized the other side(by which presumably you mean nationalists and republicans). 

All Irish nationalist parties on the island of Ireland follow the 100% democratic path with the exception of one. I admire greatly the likes of the SDLP(an Irish nationalist party, based in the North) who under great intimidation continue to preach the non-violent path and also the mainstream parties in the South who, if you read recent pronouncements have taken a very hardline against Adams and co.

My own(probably you would say "tribal") view of Unionism is that it has many aspects which I find unsavoury-I dislike the sectarianism which continues to exist within certain quarters, I dislike the knee-jerk negative reaction many have towards any expression of Irishness and last but not least, I despise the loyalist paramilitaries.

But whilst I will continue to criticise Unionism, I also agree with the vast majority of democratic Irish parties North and South of the border that Sinn Fein must cut all links with criminality and their armed wing must be closed down for good before they should be let back into the political mainstream again.

I suppose you have your own preset ideas about this question and whatever I write will not affect your opinion, but at least I've given you another point of view that's rarely heard. So in that context, what you think of my credibility is neither here nor there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hektor,<br />
I don&#8217;t know your background,but I was born and brought up in N.Ireland. It remains a tribal society and that of course that has an effect on everybody&#8217;s attitudes including my own. I have looked back on my posts-I can&#8217;t see any of my comments which have demonized the other side(by which presumably you mean nationalists and republicans). </p>
<p>All Irish nationalist parties on the island of Ireland follow the 100% democratic path with the exception of one. I admire greatly the likes of the SDLP(an Irish nationalist party, based in the North) who under great intimidation continue to preach the non-violent path and also the mainstream parties in the South who, if you read recent pronouncements have taken a very hardline against Adams and co.</p>
<p>My own(probably you would say &#8220;tribal&#8221;) view of Unionism is that it has many aspects which I find unsavoury-I dislike the sectarianism which continues to exist within certain quarters, I dislike the knee-jerk negative reaction many have towards any expression of Irishness and last but not least, I despise the loyalist paramilitaries.</p>
<p>But whilst I will continue to criticise Unionism, I also agree with the vast majority of democratic Irish parties North and South of the border that Sinn Fein must cut all links with criminality and their armed wing must be closed down for good before they should be let back into the political mainstream again.</p>
<p>I suppose you have your own preset ideas about this question and whatever I write will not affect your opinion, but at least I&#8217;ve given you another point of view that&#8217;s rarely heard. So in that context, what you think of my credibility is neither here nor there.</p>
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		<title>By: antnee</title>
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		<dc:creator>antnee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>with devolution dead,what are your views on norn iron for the next ten years ?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with devolution dead,what are your views on norn iron for the next ten years ?.</p>
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		<title>By: Hektor Bim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hektor Bim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul,

I'm sorry, but you're not credible on this issue because you're tribal to the core.  Using words like "our", "other side", etc. just leads me to believe that you will demonize one side and hedge and defend the other.

You can't be tribal and a defender of universal verities at the same time.  So appealing to universal codes of conduct while remaining irreversibly tribal means that you won't convince me, since I have no belief that you actually would uphold universal values if your own tribe was the one that was being judged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but you&#8217;re not credible on this issue because you&#8217;re tribal to the core.  Using words like &#8220;our&#8221;, &#8220;other side&#8221;, etc. just leads me to believe that you will demonize one side and hedge and defend the other.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t be tribal and a defender of universal verities at the same time.  So appealing to universal codes of conduct while remaining irreversibly tribal means that you won&#8217;t convince me, since I have no belief that you actually would uphold universal values if your own tribe was the one that was being judged.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 18:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hektor,
Unpalatable as it may sound that's the truth, I'm afraid. I'm sure the same feeling exists on the other side and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.
Despite this, the majority of both communities with the Good Friday Agreement agreed to a compromise of sorts, that could have worked if all parties had shown good faith

My main problem with Adams,and Sinn fein is that they have wasted that opportunity by proving to be incapable of embracing democracy and throwing away the guns. Political parties who maintain an armed wing(which is still actively engaged in non-poloitical crime) and who try to protect the murderers of an innocent man in a pub brawl do not deserve to be in government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hektor,<br />
Unpalatable as it may sound that&#8217;s the truth, I&#8217;m afraid. I&#8217;m sure the same feeling exists on the other side and I didn&#8217;t mean to imply otherwise.<br />
Despite this, the majority of both communities with the Good Friday Agreement agreed to a compromise of sorts, that could have worked if all parties had shown good faith</p>
<p>My main problem with Adams,and Sinn fein is that they have wasted that opportunity by proving to be incapable of embracing democracy and throwing away the guns. Political parties who maintain an armed wing(which is still actively engaged in non-poloitical crime) and who try to protect the murderers of an innocent man in a pub brawl do not deserve to be in government.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 16:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy

"Its hard to embrace a political route when your political candidates are being murdered"

The Unionist parties(Robert Bradford being the prime example) and the SDLP also had political canditates murdered by terrorists.
They still followed the political route.
Democrats don't need private armies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy</p>
<p>&#8220;Its hard to embrace a political route when your political candidates are being murdered&#8221;</p>
<p>The Unionist parties(Robert Bradford being the prime example) and the SDLP also had political canditates murdered by terrorists.<br />
They still followed the political route.<br />
Democrats don&#8217;t need private armies.</p>
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		<title>By: Hektor Bim</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/the-adams-family/#comment-7831</link>
		<dc:creator>Hektor Bim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 04:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with statements like Paul's are how easily they can be reversed:

As for the Nationalists,someone summed it up quite well, when they said that "there is a whole generation unborn" who will grow up with a hatred of Paisley and the Loyalists (British, Special Branch, etc.) for the crimes they committed for 35 years against "our" community.

Not very helpful, in the final analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with statements like Paul&#8217;s are how easily they can be reversed:</p>
<p>As for the Nationalists,someone summed it up quite well, when they said that &#8220;there is a whole generation unborn&#8221; who will grow up with a hatred of Paisley and the Loyalists (British, Special Branch, etc.) for the crimes they committed for 35 years against &#8220;our&#8221; community.</p>
<p>Not very helpful, in the final analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2005 01:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi SCott,

One very brief reason that the IRA could not earlier take the soley political route was the tendency of loyalists to murder Sinn Fein candidates. Its hard to embrace a political route when your political candidates are being murdered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi SCott,</p>
<p>One very brief reason that the IRA could not earlier take the soley political route was the tendency of loyalists to murder Sinn Fein candidates. Its hard to embrace a political route when your political candidates are being murdered.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Apr 2005 04:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,
Sinn Fein and the IRA are inextricably linked.
Whether Adams remains on the Army Council as is alleged by prominent members of the Irish government is immaterial, he remains the driving force behind the Provisional movement and as such the idea that he is working independent of the men with the balaclavas is laughable.
Sinn Fein/IRA are an organisation running out of ideas and purpose-United Ireland is decades away, their core base won't tolerate a return to violence, human rights legislation is improving the situation of their electorate and the Irish government has had enough their lies and tricks.

As for the Unionists,someone summed it up quite well, when they said that "there is a whole generation unborn" who will grow up with a hatred of Adams and the Provos for the crimes they committed for 35 years against our community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,<br />
Sinn Fein and the IRA are inextricably linked.<br />
Whether Adams remains on the Army Council as is alleged by prominent members of the Irish government is immaterial, he remains the driving force behind the Provisional movement and as such the idea that he is working independent of the men with the balaclavas is laughable.<br />
Sinn Fein/IRA are an organisation running out of ideas and purpose-United Ireland is decades away, their core base won&#8217;t tolerate a return to violence, human rights legislation is improving the situation of their electorate and the Irish government has had enough their lies and tricks.</p>
<p>As for the Unionists,someone summed it up quite well, when they said that &#8220;there is a whole generation unborn&#8221; who will grow up with a hatred of Adams and the Provos for the crimes they committed for 35 years against our community.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott MacMillan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott MacMillan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2005 02:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops. Care to name it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. Care to name it?</p>
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