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]]> By: william http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/serbia-the-betting-pool/#comment-17813 william Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:29:54 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net//serbia-the-betting-pool#comment-17813 It seems odd that no-one seems to be aware of the oil pipelines from the Caspian sea region which pass through Bulgaria and on to Kosovo where America has built a large military base. A feasability study was carried out by the US regime prior to the demonization and bombing of Serbia. Prior to this, the UCK/KLA were listed as a terrorist group until they became useful in destabilising Yugoslavia. Macedonia (as one commentator suggested) did not 'escape the war' they are currently fighting a low level insurgency mounted by UCK (Albanians) there. Montenegro is has a 30% Albanian population whose influence was instrumental in their separation of that province from Serbia. I suggest all commentators read 'Fools Crusade' by Diana Johstone if they require an historic context and the political machinations which led to the dismemberment of former Yugoslavia. It makes very interesting reading indeed. It seems odd that no-one seems to be aware of the oil pipelines from the Caspian sea region which pass through Bulgaria and on to Kosovo where America has built a large military base. A feasability study was carried out by the US regime prior to the demonization and bombing of Serbia. Prior to this, the UCK/KLA were listed as a terrorist group until they became useful in destabilising Yugoslavia. Macedonia (as one commentator suggested) did not ‘escape the war’ they are currently fighting a low level insurgency mounted by UCK (Albanians) there. Montenegro is has a 30% Albanian population whose influence was instrumental in their separation of that province from Serbia. I suggest all commentators read ‘Fools Crusade’ by Diana Johstone if they require an historic context and the political machinations which led to the dismemberment of former Yugoslavia. It makes very interesting reading indeed.

]]> By: Serbia: Day 109, and over | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/serbia-the-betting-pool/#comment-17449 Serbia: Day 109, and over | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion Sat, 12 May 2007 12:54:18 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net//serbia-the-betting-pool#comment-17449 [...] of bets, seven weeks ago I bet that Serbia would form a new government at the last possible moment. I was right! But I also [...] [...] of bets, seven weeks ago I bet that Serbia would form a new government at the last possible moment. I was right! But I also [...]

]]> By: bganon http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/serbia-the-betting-pool/#comment-17353 bganon Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:06:38 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net//serbia-the-betting-pool#comment-17353 I mean 308 Euros not dinars oops I mean 308 Euros not dinars oops

]]> By: bganon http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/serbia-the-betting-pool/#comment-17352 bganon Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:05:12 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net//serbia-the-betting-pool#comment-17352 Here you go Randy stats from the national statistic office: http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=32546 Serbia just over 308 dinars Macedonia over 226 Euros - from the Macedonian statistic office. Not that any of this matters so much. But Randy, Doug surely it isnt that difficult to find this info? After all you guys disputed my figures without even knowing what the stats were! Tut tut. Here you go Randy stats from the national statistic office:

http://www.srbija.sr.gov.yu/vesti/vest.php?id=32546

Serbia just over 308 dinars
Macedonia over 226 Euros - from the Macedonian statistic office.

Not that any of this matters so much. But Randy, Doug surely it isnt that difficult to find this info? After all you guys disputed my figures without even knowing what the stats were! Tut tut.

]]> By: Randy McDonald http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/serbia-the-betting-pool/#comment-17344 Randy McDonald Wed, 18 Apr 2007 22:53:41 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net//serbia-the-betting-pool#comment-17344 bganon: "Just for you the average net wage in Macedonia accoring to statistics from their statistics office is 226 Euros. The average Serbian wage is just above 308 Euros - the latter statistic is from memory but feel free to check it. I dont know where you get the 30 percent stat from - maybe you mixed the two totals up???" Cite? http://www.siepa.sr.gov.yu/attach/SIEPA_Newsletter_September_2006.pdf gives a net monthly wage of ~265 euros for Serbia in September 2006. http://skopje.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/BzjTFdr5d703muX7Cn_2gg/MacedonianEconomyAtaGlance.pdf gives a net monthly wage of ~219 euros, 13430 denars in June 2006. I have no idea if the second figure is compatible with the first. bganon:

“Just for you the average net wage in Macedonia accoring to statistics from their statistics office is 226 Euros. The average Serbian wage is just above 308 Euros - the latter statistic is from memory but feel free to check it. I dont know where you get the 30 percent stat from - maybe you mixed the two totals up???”

Cite?

http://www.siepa.sr.gov.yu/attach/SIEPA_Newsletter_September_2006.pdf

gives a net monthly wage of ~265 euros for Serbia in September 2006.

http://skopje.usembassy.gov/uploads/images/BzjTFdr5d703muX7Cn_2gg/MacedonianEconomyAtaGlance.pdf

gives a net monthly wage of ~219 euros, 13430 denars in June 2006. I have no idea if the second figure is compatible with the first.

]]> By: bganon http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/serbia-the-betting-pool/#comment-17342 bganon Wed, 18 Apr 2007 17:44:13 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net//serbia-the-betting-pool#comment-17342 Doug 'Well, right there… believing Slobo’s chief spook? How stupid would you have to be?' What stupid to believe the man who had as much authority as Milosevic himself? Stupid to believe the man who had a reputation of delivering - remember his role in delivering to the West in Bosnia? The miscalculation wasnt in believing or disbelieving Stanisic, it was not understanding the politics and logistics of the situation. Babic makes this point and he is right on this one. There were dissenting opinions in the Croatian Serb leadership, not just the civilian leadership the military leadership too. I know this due to research I conducted on the subject. The problem was that Stanisic had it all sown up. He even helped rigg elections - I interviewed somebody that 'supervised' the rigging process. He also supported negotiation. 'On the other hand — there’s usually another hand in the former Yugoslavia, right? — almost the first thing the RSK did was to terrorize and expel 20 or 30 thousand Croats from its territory' Ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing. I dont particularly like who did what first because that means we could rewind to WW2 or earlier. Its all to be condemned and one action cant justify another. On average wages vis a vis Macedonia and Serbia. Obviously your feeling that Serbs like to exaggerate outweighed the desire to find the statistics. I'd say you should take check if you dont know. Just for you the average net wage in Macedonia accoring to statistics from their statistics office is 226 Euros. The average Serbian wage is just above 308 Euros - the latter statistic is from memory but feel free to check it. I dont know where you get the 30 percent stat from - maybe you mixed the two totals up??? Doug

‘Well, right there… believing Slobo’s chief spook? How stupid would you have to be?’

What stupid to believe the man who had as much authority as Milosevic himself? Stupid to believe the man who had a reputation of delivering - remember his role in delivering to the West in Bosnia? The miscalculation wasnt in believing or disbelieving Stanisic, it was not understanding the politics and logistics of the situation. Babic makes this point and he is right on this one.

There were dissenting opinions in the Croatian Serb leadership, not just the civilian leadership the military leadership too. I know this due to research I conducted on the subject. The problem was that Stanisic had it all sown up. He even helped rigg elections - I interviewed somebody that ’supervised’ the rigging process. He also supported negotiation.

‘On the other hand — there’s usually another hand in the former Yugoslavia, right? — almost the first thing the RSK did was to terrorize and expel 20 or 30 thousand Croats from its territory’

Ethnic cleansing is ethnic cleansing. I dont particularly like who did what first because that means we could rewind to WW2 or earlier. Its all to be condemned and one action cant justify another.

On average wages vis a vis Macedonia and Serbia.
Obviously your feeling that Serbs like to exaggerate outweighed the desire to find the statistics. I’d say you should take check if you dont know.

Just for you the average net wage in Macedonia accoring to statistics from their statistics office is 226 Euros. The average Serbian wage is just above 308 Euros - the latter statistic is from memory but feel free to check it. I dont know where you get the 30 percent stat from - maybe you mixed the two totals up???

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