Comments on: Macedonia’s government collapses too http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/ European Opinion Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:17:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Paul Brams http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-20317 Paul Brams Mon, 28 Apr 2008 13:59:11 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-20317 Wow, now that's really "mature", "Ukrainian and Macedonian are very similar and Macedonians speak Slavic Ukrainian". Most of the statements in the previous comment were unsupported assumptions and inacurate information. Most of the comments in these blogs have shown very good knowledge about the discussed region (both Dougs, Fidel and others). I am fascinated with their understanding of the history of the Balkans in depth but the latest post is something I would qualify as a pseudo historical discovery. Good luck with such an attitude! Wow, now that’s really “mature”,
“Ukrainian and Macedonian are very similar and Macedonians speak Slavic Ukrainian”.
Most of the statements in the previous comment were unsupported assumptions and inacurate information.
Most of the comments in these blogs have shown very good knowledge about the discussed region (both Dougs, Fidel and others).
I am fascinated with their understanding of the history of the Balkans in depth but the latest post is something I would qualify as a pseudo historical discovery.
Good luck with such an attitude!

]]> By: Macedonia: are you just doing this to annoy me? | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-20024 Macedonia: are you just doing this to annoy me? | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:04:34 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-20024 [...] remember I blogged a few weeks back about how Macedonia’s government was collapsing (because of demands from the Albanian party in the [...] [...] remember I blogged a few weeks back about how Macedonia’s government was collapsing (because of demands from the Albanian party in the [...]

]]> By: bluerose799 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19677 bluerose799 Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:54:27 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19677 The Indo-European languages include Albanian language, Greek language, Slavic language but there is not any Macedonian language. Ancient chronics document that, the Dardanian King Bardhyll BARDH YLL WHITE STAR was involved in a battle against Macedonian King Faruk (Alexander the Great Father). Dardanian didn’t win but was not destroyed either. What language were speaking those two armies? Based on the name of Dardanian King Bardhyll White Star there is no doubt Dardanian were speaking Albanian then Illyrian language. If he will be speaking Serbian, or Slavic Macedonian his name will be Bela Zvezda. It is not true his name was not bela zvezda his name was Bardh yll. What language was speaking Macedonian army under the King Faruk. We know for shure what language was speaking the King’s son. Alexander the Great. There is no doubt the son speaks the father’s language. When Alexander the Great was dying, one of his close friends asked him. Alexander to whom are you going to leave the Empire? The answer was. TO THE STRONGEST. He said this word in pure Greek language. This is very well documented. Nowadays Macedonias speak a Slavic language more similar to Bulgarian, and one third speak Illyrian with dialect GEGE. The Slavic macedonias can’t pretend speaking Macedonian they speak a language similar to Bulgarian with differences only in the frame of different dialect of the same language, that is similar to Ukrainian to. Modern macedonias are a nation without a distinct language, they speak Slavic Ukrainian Their lays, pretending to be autochthon in the land are only Fanatic Nationalist Fantasy. After lying for more than 1500 years, now it is the time for them to face the reality. They came in Balkan on the 6th century A.D from Ukraine replacing Thracians and Illyrian in a violent way. Actually those people are weak and are surrounded by stronger neighbors, Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece armed with Leopard 2 heavy tanks, fighter jets F-16 and more. The small Albania is stronger than Macedonia to. Many interests overlap over Macedonia and this nation was a receipt for trouble. This is the reason why the Global Financial Oligarchy (Globalists) put their hands there since the beginning. To find who they are refer to: En Route to Global Occupation: Gary H. Kah: Books. And you can find the World reorganized on 10 regions here: http://i25.tinypic.com/2qcffo5.gif Those things are not games they are for real. Now they are working on region 2 and region 7. They can’t control the region 10. In the beginning region 5 was dismembered. Russia vent down and turned in shambles, but not anymore. Putin Russia changed from e former military superpower in an energetic superpower. They control 16 % of oil export and soon this figure will be 27%. Their economy increase fast, GDP totaled 2 trillion dollars and increases. Europe is dependent on they raw materials. The point is the One World government is not going to happen for some time. To be more realistic in the years to come the world will be bipolar. Balkans will be incorporated in the E U. We are pieces of sand in a big SAND STORM. PEACE. The Indo-European languages include Albanian language, Greek language, Slavic language but there is not any Macedonian language.
Ancient chronics document that, the Dardanian King Bardhyll BARDH YLL WHITE STAR was involved in a battle against Macedonian King Faruk (Alexander the Great Father). Dardanian didn’t win but was not destroyed either.
What language were speaking those two armies? Based on the name of Dardanian King Bardhyll White Star there is no doubt Dardanian were speaking Albanian then Illyrian language.
If he will be speaking Serbian, or Slavic Macedonian his name will be Bela Zvezda. It is not true his name was not bela zvezda his name was Bardh yll.
What language was speaking Macedonian army under the King Faruk. We know for shure what language was speaking the King’s son. Alexander the Great. There is no doubt the son speaks the father’s language.
When Alexander the Great was dying, one of his close friends asked him. Alexander to whom are you going to leave the Empire? The answer was. TO THE STRONGEST.
He said this word in pure Greek language. This is very well documented.
Nowadays Macedonias speak a Slavic language more similar to Bulgarian, and one third speak Illyrian with dialect GEGE. The Slavic macedonias can’t pretend speaking Macedonian they speak a language similar to Bulgarian with differences only in the frame of different dialect of the same language, that is similar to Ukrainian to.
Modern macedonias are a nation without a distinct language, they speak Slavic Ukrainian
Their lays, pretending to be autochthon in the land are only Fanatic Nationalist Fantasy.
After lying for more than 1500 years, now it is the time for them to face the reality. They came in Balkan on the 6th century A.D from Ukraine replacing Thracians and Illyrian in a violent way.
Actually those people are weak and are surrounded by stronger neighbors, Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece armed with Leopard 2 heavy tanks, fighter jets F-16 and more. The small Albania is stronger than Macedonia to. Many interests overlap over Macedonia and this nation was a receipt for trouble. This is the reason why the Global Financial Oligarchy (Globalists) put their hands there since the beginning.
To find who they are refer to: En Route to Global Occupation: Gary H. Kah: Books. And you can find the World reorganized on 10 regions here:
http://i25.tinypic.com/2qcffo5.gif
Those things are not games they are for real. Now they are working on region 2 and region 7. They can’t control the region 10. In the beginning region 5 was dismembered. Russia vent down and turned in shambles, but not anymore. Putin Russia changed from e former military superpower in an energetic superpower. They control 16 % of oil export and soon this figure will be 27%. Their economy increase fast, GDP totaled 2 trillion dollars and increases. Europe is dependent on they raw materials.
The point is the One World government is not going to happen for some time.
To be more realistic in the years to come the world will be bipolar. Balkans will be incorporated in the E U. We are pieces of sand in a big SAND STORM.
PEACE.

]]> By: Petros Houhoulis http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19619 Petros Houhoulis Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:41:35 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19619 Hmmm, what about VMRO, the terrorist organization "Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization" that has been responsible for the deaths of the Premier of Bulgaria Aleksandar Stamboliyski at 1923, and also the assassination of King Alexander I of Yugoslavia and the French Foreign Minister Louis Barthou in Marseille at 1934? Not to mention the other crimes... ...Do you know the name of the political party that rules the country today? Let me tell you, it is something like... VMRO. Of course these people are more peaceful than the Serbians, but only because they are weak. Given the circumstances, they can be very lethal, and we know that... Hmmm, what about VMRO, the terrorist organization “Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization” that has been responsible for the deaths of the Premier of Bulgaria Aleksandar Stamboliyski at 1923, and also the assassination of King Alexander I of Yugoslavia and the French Foreign Minister Louis Barthou in Marseille at 1934? Not to mention the other crimes…

…Do you know the name of the political party that rules the country today? Let me tell you, it is something like… VMRO.

Of course these people are more peaceful than the Serbians, but only because they are weak. Given the circumstances, they can be very lethal, and we know that…

]]> By: bluerose799 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19616 bluerose799 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 14:33:53 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19616 One in four Macedonian, speak Albanian language. That means Albanians are a minority there. After separation from former YGOSLLVIA, Macedonia is Building up a new Capitalistic Democratic Nation. While they language, culture, and rights are recognized, Albanian are living normal life side by side with Slavic majority of Macedonia. Slavic Socialism of Serbia, have killed hundred thousands and Displaced millions of Croatian, Bosnian and Kosovars. They failed and are paying their price. Many of Serbian that fled Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova, if they will return, might be in title to be Detained, Trailed and Punished, if they will be found guilty. Keep in mind that the Serbian people made massive and horrible crimes, and many of them are not punished yet. There is no way for any parallel between Serbian and Macedonians. http://www.gendercide.org/case_kosovo.html One in four Macedonian, speak Albanian language. That means Albanians are a minority there. After separation from former YGOSLLVIA, Macedonia is Building up a new Capitalistic Democratic Nation. While they language, culture, and rights are recognized, Albanian are living normal life side by side with Slavic majority of Macedonia.
Slavic Socialism of Serbia, have killed hundred thousands and Displaced millions of Croatian, Bosnian and Kosovars. They failed and are paying their price. Many of Serbian that fled Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova, if they will return, might be in title to be Detained, Trailed and Punished, if they will be found guilty. Keep in mind that the Serbian people made massive and horrible crimes, and many of them are not punished yet.
There is no way for any parallel between Serbian and Macedonians.
http://www.gendercide.org/case_kosovo.html

]]> By: Macedonia: boing! | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19523 Macedonia: boing! | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion Mon, 24 Mar 2008 11:20:32 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19523 [...] weeks ago I wrote about how Macedonia’s goverment had collapsed. Well, over the weekend it un-collapsed — PM Gruevski’s party and the Albanians reached [...] [...] weeks ago I wrote about how Macedonia’s goverment had collapsed. Well, over the weekend it un-collapsed — PM Gruevski’s party and the Albanians reached [...]

]]> By: Global Voices на македонски » Македонија: Резиме на политиката http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19445 Global Voices на македонски » Македонија: Резиме на политиката Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:25:49 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19445 [...] Fistful of Euros објавува „кратко резиме на македонската [...] [...] Fistful of Euros објавува „кратко резиме на македонската [...]

]]> By: Global Voices Online » Macedonia: A Primer on Politics http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19410 Global Voices Online » Macedonia: A Primer on Politics Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:26:03 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19410 [...] Fistful of Euros posts “a brief primer on Macedonian politics.” Share [...] [...] Fistful of Euros posts “a brief primer on Macedonian politics.” Share [...]

]]> By: Petros Houhoulis http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19386 Petros Houhoulis Sun, 16 Mar 2008 12:40:04 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19386 Well, you didn't notice what has been going on since the insurrection of 2001. Let me open your eyes: The result of the conflict was the the two communities' teachers could not even agree upon the name of their schools!!! http://www.usip.org/pubs/specialreports/sr115.html ...And the situation has not improved since then: http://www.maknews.com/html/class_struggle.html ...As a result, these people shall never live peacefully next to each other. Gruevski became the most popular head of the Balkans simply because he tried to show strength against all internal and external enemies, something that was not the norm since the capitulation of 2001. This boosted his supporters amongst the dominant ethnic group, but forced the second largest ethnic group to unify against him, because of his refusal to implement the terms of the agreement of 2001. So, his ally in the government did not resist much as long as it could not influence the situation, but finally found an excuse when Gruevski picked a fight with someone who wasn't scared or intimidated by his bullish manners, and now Gruevski risks dividing the country "Here and now" or capitulating to his opponents and thus losing his appeal. He shall certainly follow the first path for as long as he can, and for as long the newest state in the Balkans needs to show restraint, and force all of its' allies to be cautious as well. Yet, if the recognition of this state gains traction and its' leaders start feeling bullish like Gruevski, both countries could enter into an unofficial war with each other... Well, you didn’t notice what has been going on since the insurrection of 2001. Let me open your eyes: The result of the conflict was the the two communities’ teachers could not even agree upon the name of their schools!!!

http://www.usip.org/pubs/specialreports/sr115.html

…And the situation has not improved since then:

http://www.maknews.com/html/class_struggle.html

…As a result, these people shall never live peacefully next to each other.

Gruevski became the most popular head of the Balkans simply because he tried to show strength against all internal and external enemies, something that was not the norm since the capitulation of 2001. This boosted his supporters amongst the dominant ethnic group, but forced the second largest ethnic group to unify against him, because of his refusal to implement the terms of the agreement of 2001.

So, his ally in the government did not resist much as long as it could not influence the situation, but finally found an excuse when Gruevski picked a fight with someone who wasn’t scared or intimidated by his bullish manners, and now Gruevski risks dividing the country “Here and now” or capitulating to his opponents and thus losing his appeal.

He shall certainly follow the first path for as long as he can, and for as long the newest state in the Balkans needs to show restraint, and force all of its’ allies to be cautious as well. Yet, if the recognition of this state gains traction and its’ leaders start feeling bullish like Gruevski, both countries could enter into an unofficial war with each other…

]]> By: Fidel Pardussi http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too/#comment-19382 Fidel Pardussi Sun, 16 Mar 2008 01:44:28 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/governments-and-parties/macedonias-government-collapses-too#comment-19382 A correction: under point (1) I meant to say that "I for one do not support any division [of Macedonia] whatsoever." A correction: under point (1) I meant to say that “I for one do not support any division [of Macedonia] whatsoever.”

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