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		<title>By: bganon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bganon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'why did all SRS MPs wear t-shirt with Seselj's photo in the first session of parliament?'

Because their supporters are impressed with the symbolic rather than the reality. The whole debate on Kosovo by the way is defined by Kosovo Serbs and Albanians in the same way. I should add that a good proportion of the SRS are ethnically cleansed Serbs from Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia.

Pictures, not words, sentiments and emotion rather than policies. Symbols such as pictures, anthems, badges rather than concrete policies impress the uneducated. And most supporters of SRS are uneducated who are not able to comprehend the complexities of policies. Many of their supporters came from the ranks of SPS and some were evem Communists in SFRJ. Do you know which party has most former Communists supporting them in Kosovo? The answer could be a plus but it isnt. All it really means is that the uneducated vote for the populist or establishment party. In Croatia that was Tudjman, in Serbia it was Milosevic, in Kosovo it was Rugova, in Macedonia Gligorov, in Slovenia Kucan. Voters just transfered their former unthinking loyalty to Tito to the new 'leader'.

Personally I would ban MP's from entering parliament if they were not wearing appropriate clothing. If most of us have to wear suitable clothing to go to work then so should MP's.

Anyway that isnt the real question, the real question is why Haradinaj can not only get away with being released until trial and Seselj is in jail for 4 years already, but why is Haradinaj allowed to continue in politics and treated by the appeasing UNMIK administration like an equal partner rather than a suspected war criminal? Where is the justice there? And (since you seem to have faith in the Hague) how come Del Ponte's wishes are being ignored on the matter?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;why did all SRS MPs wear t-shirt with Seselj&#8217;s photo in the first session of parliament?&#8217;</p>
<p>Because their supporters are impressed with the symbolic rather than the reality. The whole debate on Kosovo by the way is defined by Kosovo Serbs and Albanians in the same way. I should add that a good proportion of the SRS are ethnically cleansed Serbs from Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia.</p>
<p>Pictures, not words, sentiments and emotion rather than policies. Symbols such as pictures, anthems, badges rather than concrete policies impress the uneducated. And most supporters of SRS are uneducated who are not able to comprehend the complexities of policies. Many of their supporters came from the ranks of SPS and some were evem Communists in SFRJ. Do you know which party has most former Communists supporting them in Kosovo? The answer could be a plus but it isnt. All it really means is that the uneducated vote for the populist or establishment party. In Croatia that was Tudjman, in Serbia it was Milosevic, in Kosovo it was Rugova, in Macedonia Gligorov, in Slovenia Kucan. Voters just transfered their former unthinking loyalty to Tito to the new &#8216;leader&#8217;.</p>
<p>Personally I would ban MP&#8217;s from entering parliament if they were not wearing appropriate clothing. If most of us have to wear suitable clothing to go to work then so should MP&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Anyway that isnt the real question, the real question is why Haradinaj can not only get away with being released until trial and Seselj is in jail for 4 years already, but why is Haradinaj allowed to continue in politics and treated by the appeasing UNMIK administration like an equal partner rather than a suspected war criminal? Where is the justice there? And (since you seem to have faith in the Hague) how come Del Ponte&#8217;s wishes are being ignored on the matter?</p>
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		<title>By: Fidel Pardussi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fidel Pardussi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Feb 2007 08:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"bganon",

The Serbian Radical Party does not need to emphasise the Seselj or Kosovo points any longer. They are a standard for SRS. People know very clearly where SRS stands on these issues.

Mercedes 10 years ago would advertise air bags as a scientific breakthrough, but that is now a standard in Benz cars and they can emphasise other points instead.

If your theory that the Radicals are moving away from the Seselj, Kosovo issues stands -- and, of course, it doesn't -- then why did all SRS MPs wear t-shirt with Seselj's photo in the first session of parliament? The answer: a photo says a thousand words, and they want to save their words to win other voters because the ones that are interested in Seselj and Kosovo are going to vote for them anyways.

Regards,

Fidel Pardussi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;bganon&#8221;,</p>
<p>The Serbian Radical Party does not need to emphasise the Seselj or Kosovo points any longer. They are a standard for SRS. People know very clearly where SRS stands on these issues.</p>
<p>Mercedes 10 years ago would advertise air bags as a scientific breakthrough, but that is now a standard in Benz cars and they can emphasise other points instead.</p>
<p>If your theory that the Radicals are moving away from the Seselj, Kosovo issues stands &#8212; and, of course, it doesn&#8217;t &#8212; then why did all SRS MPs wear t-shirt with Seselj&#8217;s photo in the first session of parliament? The answer: a photo says a thousand words, and they want to save their words to win other voters because the ones that are interested in Seselj and Kosovo are going to vote for them anyways.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Fidel Pardussi</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Radicals and DSS.

EU support for dismantling Serbia and the selective, long draw-out process at the Hague, will be the deciding factor.

Things will get worse for all, including the EU mapmakers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Radicals and DSS.</p>
<p>EU support for dismantling Serbia and the selective, long draw-out process at the Hague, will be the deciding factor.</p>
<p>Things will get worse for all, including the EU mapmakers.</p>
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		<title>By: goran</title>
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		<dc:creator>goran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 00:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness if the radicals win then they might start the ethnic cleansing process all over again and then the world will have more bodies that it cannot find. 

All of the parties suck, just like here in the US. They all want to ensure their job is intact, so they will use rhetoric that tickles their supporters fancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness if the radicals win then they might start the ethnic cleansing process all over again and then the world will have more bodies that it cannot find. </p>
<p>All of the parties suck, just like here in the US. They all want to ensure their job is intact, so they will use rhetoric that tickles their supporters fancy.</p>
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		<title>By: bganon</title>
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		<dc:creator>bganon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 23:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug on the 'dickhead nationalists' vs social populists debate - well ok you didnt mention the latter so lets make it a debate.

For starters Seselj wasnt mentioned in the radical party campaign, secondly none of the campaign adverts by srs exploited Kosovo as an issue. Thirdly their campaign was full of populist comments such as the 'thievery from the banks that charge astronomical rates of interest for small loans' etc. Even one of their campaign slogans was uncannily modern.

I believe that as many people vote Radical for social populism as do for nationalist reasons. Therefore I ask myself why you dont mention this fact? You are not obliged to of course but then again you are not obliged to give the mandatory comments about nationalism either.

As bored as I am with the radical party's success at the polls I am also bored with the generalised comments made each time they do well that come from further afield. They are mostly bourn from a lack of understanding of politics in Serbia. Since you have an understanding I expect more from you.

Apart from this omission, not bad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug on the &#8216;dickhead nationalists&#8217; vs social populists debate - well ok you didnt mention the latter so lets make it a debate.</p>
<p>For starters Seselj wasnt mentioned in the radical party campaign, secondly none of the campaign adverts by srs exploited Kosovo as an issue. Thirdly their campaign was full of populist comments such as the &#8216;thievery from the banks that charge astronomical rates of interest for small loans&#8217; etc. Even one of their campaign slogans was uncannily modern.</p>
<p>I believe that as many people vote Radical for social populism as do for nationalist reasons. Therefore I ask myself why you dont mention this fact? You are not obliged to of course but then again you are not obliged to give the mandatory comments about nationalism either.</p>
<p>As bored as I am with the radical party&#8217;s success at the polls I am also bored with the generalised comments made each time they do well that come from further afield. They are mostly bourn from a lack of understanding of politics in Serbia. Since you have an understanding I expect more from you.</p>
<p>Apart from this omission, not bad!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the author might not have chose the most appropriate rhetoric for this topic

Blogs are not journalism.  That's why I can use phrases like "dickhead nationalist" here.

True, freedom is not license.  And a little of this sort of thing goes a very long way.

But I have lived in Serbia.

Anyway: Mike, seesaw, I think you're both exactly right.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the author might not have chose the most appropriate rhetoric for this topic</p>
<p>Blogs are not journalism.  That&#8217;s why I can use phrases like &#8220;dickhead nationalist&#8221; here.</p>
<p>True, freedom is not license.  And a little of this sort of thing goes a very long way.</p>
<p>But I have lived in Serbia.</p>
<p>Anyway: Mike, seesaw, I think you&#8217;re both exactly right.</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
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		<title>By: seesaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>seesaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The election results are better than anyone knowing the situation in Serbia could expect!
After all democrat parties (or more or less democrat) got 2/3 of the votes. 
As for the Radical party, it attracts different layers of society, predominantly it is national party, but having not been in the government after 2000 it also attracts people who are poor, who see no perspective, who are not satisfied with the life in Serbia nowdays. It keeps promissing better life and - Kosovo, that will never get the independence.
The problem now is the great difference in political programme that exists between Koštunica and Tadić, and that may complicate the forming of the goverment. Should there be another election - especially after the solution about Kosovo is known - I am afraid Radical party will be not only the winner, but will also then be the one who will form the government. I would not like to see that happen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The election results are better than anyone knowing the situation in Serbia could expect!<br />
After all democrat parties (or more or less democrat) got 2/3 of the votes.<br />
As for the Radical party, it attracts different layers of society, predominantly it is national party, but having not been in the government after 2000 it also attracts people who are poor, who see no perspective, who are not satisfied with the life in Serbia nowdays. It keeps promissing better life and - Kosovo, that will never get the independence.<br />
The problem now is the great difference in political programme that exists between Koštunica and Tadić, and that may complicate the forming of the goverment. Should there be another election - especially after the solution about Kosovo is known - I am afraid Radical party will be not only the winner, but will also then be the one who will form the government. I would not like to see that happen!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the author might not have chose the most  appropriate rhetoric for this topic. The fact remains; the radicals today are the same as those before the war. They are the reason Serbia is the underdog you speak of and they are the reason NATO destroyed Serbian infrastructure. They are also the reason that 'greater' Serbia is in the state it is today. 

I understand Serbs are pissed(not that its justified) and this is a way to give the middle finger to the west. But for the sake of the future generations of Serbia when will people learn that they are only hurting themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the author might not have chose the most  appropriate rhetoric for this topic. The fact remains; the radicals today are the same as those before the war. They are the reason Serbia is the underdog you speak of and they are the reason NATO destroyed Serbian infrastructure. They are also the reason that &#8216;greater&#8217; Serbia is in the state it is today. </p>
<p>I understand Serbs are pissed(not that its justified) and this is a way to give the middle finger to the west. But for the sake of the future generations of Serbia when will people learn that they are only hurting themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Liberal Democrats not liberal? FYI, that's as liberal as it gets in Serbia."

We get into questions of definitions here, but Cedo... well, while I like a lot of his positions (he's the only politician in touch with reality on Kosovo IMO) the man himself creeps me out more than a bit.  Too popular and too powerful too young, or so ISTM, and he's never quite recovered from it.  And the coalition he leads can charitably be described as "incoherent".

Mike: a lot of the support for SPS (though by no means all!) comes from people who have not done well since 2001.  Also, nationalism is just incredibly powerful, and SPS is just banging on that exposed nerve.

Note, BTW, that SPS doesn't explicitly say it's going after Greater Serbia.  (It is, after all, impossible.)  No, they just talk a lot about "protecting Serbs wherever they are" and "making us proud again".


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liberal Democrats not liberal? FYI, that&#8217;s as liberal as it gets in Serbia.&#8221;</p>
<p>We get into questions of definitions here, but Cedo&#8230; well, while I like a lot of his positions (he&#8217;s the only politician in touch with reality on Kosovo IMO) the man himself creeps me out more than a bit.  Too popular and too powerful too young, or so ISTM, and he&#8217;s never quite recovered from it.  And the coalition he leads can charitably be described as &#8220;incoherent&#8221;.</p>
<p>Mike: a lot of the support for SPS (though by no means all!) comes from people who have not done well since 2001.  Also, nationalism is just incredibly powerful, and SPS is just banging on that exposed nerve.</p>
<p>Note, BTW, that SPS doesn&#8217;t explicitly say it&#8217;s going after Greater Serbia.  (It is, after all, impossible.)  No, they just talk a lot about &#8220;protecting Serbs wherever they are&#8221; and &#8220;making us proud again&#8221;.</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
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		<title>By: howtrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>howtrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ How true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ How true.</p>
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