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		<title>By: RSN</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/germany/change-in-germany/#comment-7032</link>
		<dc:creator>RSN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 21:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ftr stippng wy ll th sprs nlss, Sctt Mrtns' cmmnt snds mr lk th mtt f Md Mgzn's lfrd E. Nmnn:  "Wht M Wrr!"
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ftr stippng wy ll th sprs nlss, Sctt Mrtns&#8217; cmmnt snds mr lk th mtt f Md Mgzn&#8217;s lfrd E. Nmnn:  &#8220;Wht M Wrr!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Heike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Scott, for putting my sentiments into better words than I ever could. It is my experience, that even Americans, such as Kornblum, who have spent time in Germany, don't quite get the German take on things. There seems to be an ever-widening gulf between what Germans see as the patronizing American view and their own vision for their country. Ironically, I believe the Germans have been doing more in the last 50 years to advance a balanced view (with admittedly mixed results) of world and local politics, while the American vision is going rapidly backwards. I have lived 20 years or more in each country and it is becoming clear to me that places are being reversed. Frightening realization, to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Scott, for putting my sentiments into better words than I ever could. It is my experience, that even Americans, such as Kornblum, who have spent time in Germany, don&#8217;t quite get the German take on things. There seems to be an ever-widening gulf between what Germans see as the patronizing American view and their own vision for their country. Ironically, I believe the Germans have been doing more in the last 50 years to advance a balanced view (with admittedly mixed results) of world and local politics, while the American vision is going rapidly backwards. I have lived 20 years or more in each country and it is becoming clear to me that places are being reversed. Frightening realization, to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Boucher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Boucher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2005 02:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'd agree with Cornelius that basketball is not America's national game.  Maybe (a big maybe) it was that when Michael Jordan was at his peak, but my impression is that it's been on a big descent since.  

I'd disagree to the extent that I think baseball is still the national sport.  It has been joined but not superseded by football, because the two are complimentary (one played in the winter, one in the summer).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with Cornelius that basketball is not America&#8217;s national game.  Maybe (a big maybe) it was that when Michael Jordan was at his peak, but my impression is that it&#8217;s been on a big descent since.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d disagree to the extent that I think baseball is still the national sport.  It has been joined but not superseded by football, because the two are complimentary (one played in the winter, one in the summer).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 15:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, yes, the idea that changes in Germany often have to be sold as non-changes has some real historical support.  The Euro, for instance, was sold to a lot of folks as the Deutschmark with prettier bills.

Otherwise, the essay really is quite a mixed bag.  German dependence on the US is overestimated.  There is certainly evidence of a real generation gap in Germany between those who remember the long post-war boom and those who don't, but that is a trans-European phenomenon.  That Germany is slow to change is in part a consequence of the history of rapid change in Germany: it often hasn't gone well.  German "grand visions" have been an awfully mixed bag.

Saying that "[t]he public?s capability for critical analysis is clouded by its continued acceptance of the deadening slogans of consensus politics" comes awfully close to advocating undemocratic governance, especially when "Germany must change" is itself an increasingly deadening slogan.  "[T]he German public was much quicker to identify with the popular movement in Ukraine than was the government."  But governments are supposed to be hesitant to intervene in foreign nations' domestic affairs.

But this effusive advocacy of some unspecified "change" is what is really annoying.  "Germany must change" seems to be a codeword for exactly what Kornblum is saying isn't enough: "Thus, it is too simple to claim that Germany has been ruined by social welfarism. Or that loosening work rules and lowering taxes will solve most of the problems. Or that Europe would be a world power if it could just learn to speak with one voice. Or that if only President Bush hadn?t been re-elected, German-American relations would again be harmonious."

Instead, he tries to psychoanalyse a nation: "More important is to understand the psychological difficulty Germany is experiencing in moving from a traumatized past to a modern, self-confident future."  This lends itself to very Lakovian analysis: Germany viewed as a traumatised person with progress associated with healing.  It is a terribly patronising conception that will do little to advance German "self-confidence."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, the idea that changes in Germany often have to be sold as non-changes has some real historical support.  The Euro, for instance, was sold to a lot of folks as the Deutschmark with prettier bills.</p>
<p>Otherwise, the essay really is quite a mixed bag.  German dependence on the US is overestimated.  There is certainly evidence of a real generation gap in Germany between those who remember the long post-war boom and those who don&#8217;t, but that is a trans-European phenomenon.  That Germany is slow to change is in part a consequence of the history of rapid change in Germany: it often hasn&#8217;t gone well.  German &#8220;grand visions&#8221; have been an awfully mixed bag.</p>
<p>Saying that &#8220;[t]he public?s capability for critical analysis is clouded by its continued acceptance of the deadening slogans of consensus politics&#8221; comes awfully close to advocating undemocratic governance, especially when &#8220;Germany must change&#8221; is itself an increasingly deadening slogan.  &#8220;[T]he German public was much quicker to identify with the popular movement in Ukraine than was the government.&#8221;  But governments are supposed to be hesitant to intervene in foreign nations&#8217; domestic affairs.</p>
<p>But this effusive advocacy of some unspecified &#8220;change&#8221; is what is really annoying.  &#8220;Germany must change&#8221; seems to be a codeword for exactly what Kornblum is saying isn&#8217;t enough: &#8220;Thus, it is too simple to claim that Germany has been ruined by social welfarism. Or that loosening work rules and lowering taxes will solve most of the problems. Or that Europe would be a world power if it could just learn to speak with one voice. Or that if only President Bush hadn?t been re-elected, German-American relations would again be harmonious.&#8221;</p>
<p>Instead, he tries to psychoanalyse a nation: &#8220;More important is to understand the psychological difficulty Germany is experiencing in moving from a traumatized past to a modern, self-confident future.&#8221;  This lends itself to very Lakovian analysis: Germany viewed as a traumatised person with progress associated with healing.  It is a terribly patronising conception that will do little to advance German &#8220;self-confidence.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cornelius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cornelius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 13:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America?s national game has clearly changed over time.

I hate to quibble, but by all indications, the sport that appeals to most American's regardless of race and class, is football, not basketball.  I'm assuming that's what you mean by 'America's national game'.  

Ponder what you will the implications of that but I think your analogies are off.  Basketball  is a distant 2nd(or 3rd depending) in terms of popularity with football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America?s national game has clearly changed over time.</p>
<p>I hate to quibble, but by all indications, the sport that appeals to most American&#8217;s regardless of race and class, is football, not basketball.  I&#8217;m assuming that&#8217;s what you mean by &#8216;America&#8217;s national game&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Ponder what you will the implications of that but I think your analogies are off.  Basketball  is a distant 2nd(or 3rd depending) in terms of popularity with football.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Germany?s economy is destined to decline, the Chinese will rule the world, and America is finished as a great power"

None of which strike me as being particularly unreasonable views. The first is after all hardly an unknown theme for certain American figures.</description>
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<p>None of which strike me as being particularly unreasonable views. The first is after all hardly an unknown theme for certain American figures.</p>
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