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		<title>By: Cityjet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cityjet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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[...]Evaluation: Ernest May, Strange Victory &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of Euros &#124; European Opinion[...]...</description>
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<p>[...]Evaluation: Ernest May, Strange Victory | afoe | A Fistful of Euros | European Opinion[...]&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: doug</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liked the review but when i read about Prioux and the gembloux gap with 160 panzers destroyed by the French to 105 i  have to wonder how many were mark 1&amp;11 pzkw as we know the 3&amp;4 were concentrated in AOK A (not all i know) and in the North the opposing forces both gained what they had set out to/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liked the review but when i read about Prioux and the gembloux gap with 160 panzers destroyed by the French to 105 i  have to wonder how many were mark 1&amp;11 pzkw as we know the 3&amp;4 were concentrated in AOK A (not all i know) and in the North the opposing forces both gained what they had set out to/</p>
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		<title>By: Complete Book Of Boat Electronics .. Ernest A. Zadig &#171; Boat Articles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Complete Book Of Boat Electronics .. Ernest A. Zadig &#171; Boat Articles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Evaluation: Ernest May, Strange Victory &#124; afoe &#124; A Fistful of &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 20:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Post was not liberated, search for Marcel Deat and Mourrir pour Danzig as a famous example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Post was not liberated, search for Marcel Deat and Mourrir pour Danzig as a famous example.</p>
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		<title>By: lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 16:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CW i answered to you but seems that my message is pending administrator acceptance.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LL, would that be the same kind of caricature that called France in 1939  / 40 &#039;a rotten society marked by pacifism&#039;, or some other kind of caricature?

Ajay - bingo. I should have also mentioned G M Fraser&#039;s brilliant war memoir &#039;Quartered Safe Out Here&#039;, which is an excellent example of the &#039;War is shit, even when you&#039;re winning&#039; genre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LL, would that be the same kind of caricature that called France in 1939  / 40 &#8216;a rotten society marked by pacifism&#8217;, or some other kind of caricature?</p>
<p>Ajay &#8211; bingo. I should have also mentioned G M Fraser&#8217;s brilliant war memoir &#8216;Quartered Safe Out Here&#8217;, which is an excellent example of the &#8216;War is shit, even when you&#8217;re winning&#8217; genre.</p>
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		<title>By: lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, the comment above proves thereâ€™s at least one person still taking the Vichy line, it would seem. And bringing positively Vichy-style levels of intelligence and understanding to the party.&quot;

Seems you don&#039;t know a thing about WW2. That is why you resorted to ad hominem. If i wrote that Italian Military Fascist Government saved Jews when occupied Nizza and resisted German pressure while Vichy Government willingly sent them to the ovens , then you would probably call me Fascist... that is your level.
A caricature level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, the comment above proves thereâ€™s at least one person still taking the Vichy line, it would seem. And bringing positively Vichy-style levels of intelligence and understanding to the party.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seems you don&#8217;t know a thing about WW2. That is why you resorted to ad hominem. If i wrote that Italian Military Fascist Government saved Jews when occupied Nizza and resisted German pressure while Vichy Government willingly sent them to the ovens , then you would probably call me Fascist&#8230; that is your level.<br />
A caricature level.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 11:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;every campaign produces enough examples of cock-up and incompetence to fill several books: the losers look for them, the victors ignore them&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, absolutely. &quot;The gap between victory and defeat is often no wider than a sabre&#039;s blade. Win - and the public will forget all about the rotten food, and the shoddy boots, and the ambulances that never came. Lose - and they&#039;ll talk of nothing else.&quot; (Flashman at the Charge.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>every campaign produces enough examples of cock-up and incompetence to fill several books: the losers look for them, the victors ignore them</i></p>
<p>Yes, absolutely. &#8220;The gap between victory and defeat is often no wider than a sabre&#8217;s blade. Win &#8211; and the public will forget all about the rotten food, and the shoddy boots, and the ambulances that never came. Lose &#8211; and they&#8217;ll talk of nothing else.&#8221; (Flashman at the Charge.)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the comment above proves there&#039;s at least one person still taking the Vichy line, it would seem. And bringing positively Vichy-style levels of intelligence and understanding to the party.

As for May, I like the (few) bits I&#039;ve read. Certainly, every campaign produces enough examples of cock-up and incompetence to fill several books: the losers look for them, the victors ignore them. Once in while you get revisionist works pointing out the mistakes of the victors (Dizzy Allen&#039;s _Who Won the Battle of Britain?_ is one such), but generally these don&#039;t sell so well. France was defeated on the strategic level, but owing to the fundamental attribution fallacy, every other aspect of the defeat is often dragged in to the &#039;explanation&#039;. 

I was in the Marc Bloch room at the Sorbonne last year - there&#039;s a plaque on the wall pointing out that he was &#039;Tue par les Allemands&#039;, which is not as Jean Monnet as I&#039;ve come to expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the comment above proves there&#8217;s at least one person still taking the Vichy line, it would seem. And bringing positively Vichy-style levels of intelligence and understanding to the party.</p>
<p>As for May, I like the (few) bits I&#8217;ve read. Certainly, every campaign produces enough examples of cock-up and incompetence to fill several books: the losers look for them, the victors ignore them. Once in while you get revisionist works pointing out the mistakes of the victors (Dizzy Allen&#8217;s _Who Won the Battle of Britain?_ is one such), but generally these don&#8217;t sell so well. France was defeated on the strategic level, but owing to the fundamental attribution fallacy, every other aspect of the defeat is often dragged in to the &#8216;explanation&#8217;. </p>
<p>I was in the Marc Bloch room at the Sorbonne last year &#8211; there&#8217;s a plaque on the wall pointing out that he was &#8216;Tue par les Allemands&#8217;, which is not as Jean Monnet as I&#8217;ve come to expect.</p>
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		<title>By: lucklucky</title>
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		<dc:creator>lucklucky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>World War 2 shouldn&#039;t never had happened if logic prevailed. 
After Hitler WW2 only happened due to by France rotten society marked by pacifism: Let&#039;s declare war to Germany, but let them destroy Poland and even let a &quot;phoney war&quot; occur to let Germans lick their wounds from Polish campaign and correct mistakes. Sadly they didn&#039;t had a G.W. Bush.

In numbers Germany would never won against French alone, worse, allies still had the BEF. But Germans had a functional Command and Control doutrine with integrated close air support. Germans kept moving the French couldn&#039;t catch up. Typical Boyd OODA loop http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop

But that doesn&#039;t explains everything, French could have resisted much more time, they had weapons, resources but the dysfunctional French society- too pacifist, too nihilist, too stiff or in one word a society in denial to let facts show - made the rest.

I don&#039;t understand why you rate Democracies with overall &quot;questioned their assumptions, criticised superiors, and threw out bad ideas&quot;.European History is made mostly by Dictatorships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>World War 2 shouldn&#8217;t never had happened if logic prevailed.<br />
After Hitler WW2 only happened due to by France rotten society marked by pacifism: Let&#8217;s declare war to Germany, but let them destroy Poland and even let a &#8220;phoney war&#8221; occur to let Germans lick their wounds from Polish campaign and correct mistakes. Sadly they didn&#8217;t had a G.W. Bush.</p>
<p>In numbers Germany would never won against French alone, worse, allies still had the BEF. But Germans had a functional Command and Control doutrine with integrated close air support. Germans kept moving the French couldn&#8217;t catch up. Typical Boyd OODA loop <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OODA_loop</a></p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t explains everything, French could have resisted much more time, they had weapons, resources but the dysfunctional French society- too pacifist, too nihilist, too stiff or in one word a society in denial to let facts show &#8211; made the rest.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you rate Democracies with overall &#8220;questioned their assumptions, criticised superiors, and threw out bad ideas&#8221;.European History is made mostly by Dictatorships.</p>
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