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	<title>Comments on: Zombie Meme Watch: Transatlantic Politics and Afghanistan</title>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/zombie-meme-watch-transatlantic-politics-and-afghanistan/comment-page-1/#comment-23491</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 11:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can build more infrastructure. That would help. But then we must be ready to defend what we build. Building stuff that is destroyed very soon after it is finished is worse than building nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can build more infrastructure. That would help. But then we must be ready to defend what we build. Building stuff that is destroyed very soon after it is finished is worse than building nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed we do.

Personally, I think putting more brigades into Afghanistan is probably counter-productive; more bases, more road convoys, more wedding-party strikes-in-error, and more stress on our incredibly strained logistics.

We need to concentrate on building up the Afghan government, negotiating with anyone who offers anything better than all-out talibanism, and delivering population security and economic aid. That includes security from us. If the EU should send anything, it should send more advisors (OMLTs), doctors, and engineers (PRTs - Provincial Reconstruction Teams), and money.

Everyone knows, after all, that even if the Americans do go through with sending significantly more troops, they can only do so by bringing forward some deployments and pushing back some returns - it&#039;s temporary, and in a year&#039;s time their numbers will be falling again.

We certainly don&#039;t want a no-decision (as Robert MacNamara would say) with falling US troop levels but still a bigger, more logistics-intensive footprint and the Taliban still in the field, after a year of intensified violence. In that scenario there would be a real risk of disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed we do.</p>
<p>Personally, I think putting more brigades into Afghanistan is probably counter-productive; more bases, more road convoys, more wedding-party strikes-in-error, and more stress on our incredibly strained logistics.</p>
<p>We need to concentrate on building up the Afghan government, negotiating with anyone who offers anything better than all-out talibanism, and delivering population security and economic aid. That includes security from us. If the EU should send anything, it should send more advisors (OMLTs), doctors, and engineers (PRTs &#8211; Provincial Reconstruction Teams), and money.</p>
<p>Everyone knows, after all, that even if the Americans do go through with sending significantly more troops, they can only do so by bringing forward some deployments and pushing back some returns &#8211; it&#8217;s temporary, and in a year&#8217;s time their numbers will be falling again.</p>
<p>We certainly don&#8217;t want a no-decision (as Robert MacNamara would say) with falling US troop levels but still a bigger, more logistics-intensive footprint and the Taliban still in the field, after a year of intensified violence. In that scenario there would be a real risk of disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have no moral duty to fight for somebody else&#039;s freedom. On the contrary, us defining what freedom is would endanger world peace.

But nevertheless the US was attacked on 9/11 and most of Europe is in an alliance with the US. Thus we need to have a sensible response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have no moral duty to fight for somebody else&#8217;s freedom. On the contrary, us defining what freedom is would endanger world peace.</p>
<p>But nevertheless the US was attacked on 9/11 and most of Europe is in an alliance with the US. Thus we need to have a sensible response.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Lacton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Lacton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

Love your blog but you&#039;re on the wrong track here.

The US only ever put 7,500 troops into Afghanistan with the Northern Alliance providing the bulk of the troops that overthrew the Taliban. Those troops are still there.

I&#039;m Australian and I must admit that the &#039;what&#039;s in it for us&#039; attitude pervading Europe these days is somewhat alarming.

Freedom must be fought for by those who are capable of doing so. It&#039;s our moral duty.

Thus, we should do whatever is necessary to topple Mugabe, repair Sudan etc etc to stop the bloodshed.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>Love your blog but you&#8217;re on the wrong track here.</p>
<p>The US only ever put 7,500 troops into Afghanistan with the Northern Alliance providing the bulk of the troops that overthrew the Taliban. Those troops are still there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m Australian and I must admit that the &#8216;what&#8217;s in it for us&#8217; attitude pervading Europe these days is somewhat alarming.</p>
<p>Freedom must be fought for by those who are capable of doing so. It&#8217;s our moral duty.</p>
<p>Thus, we should do whatever is necessary to topple Mugabe, repair Sudan etc etc to stop the bloodshed.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Jussi Jalonen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jussi Jalonen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 11:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, enter Martin Wisse, with some patent false info. Of course, to be fair, it may be just a generational thing.

... there were several terrorist attacks mounted by Islamic fighters in Europe well before anyone (apart from the Soviets and the Israelis) was considering any offensive actions against Afghanistan or Iraq. Some of these attacks, especially the ones carried out by the PLO and the Abu Nidal organization, were quite famous, and they continued from the 1970s to the 1980s.

Of course, these fellows were still (mostly) directing their attacks primarily against American and Israeli targets based in Europe, with the local Europeans ending up merely as collateral victims. Still, I don&#039;t see any practical difference. They were terrorist attacks on European soil.

... this doesn&#039;t mean that the ongoing peace-enforcing action in Afghanistan makes any sense whatsoever. I do not believe that it breeds terrorism; but nor do I believe that it prevents any terrorism, or that the potential Afghan or Islamic terrorism would be of such a special kind that it inevitably necessitates overseas preventive military campaigns.

The mess in Afghanistan makes no sense. I&#039;m sick and tired of seeing the men and the women from the ISAF getting shot at for no purpose and no gain, while the local poppy cultivation is at an all-time high and honour killings are still an everyday phenomenon. The whole region is a _pays barre_, and I&#039;m in favour of letting it go hang. Leave now, and don&#039;t look back.


Cheers,

J. J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, enter Martin Wisse, with some patent false info. Of course, to be fair, it may be just a generational thing.</p>
<p>&#8230; there were several terrorist attacks mounted by Islamic fighters in Europe well before anyone (apart from the Soviets and the Israelis) was considering any offensive actions against Afghanistan or Iraq. Some of these attacks, especially the ones carried out by the PLO and the Abu Nidal organization, were quite famous, and they continued from the 1970s to the 1980s.</p>
<p>Of course, these fellows were still (mostly) directing their attacks primarily against American and Israeli targets based in Europe, with the local Europeans ending up merely as collateral victims. Still, I don&#8217;t see any practical difference. They were terrorist attacks on European soil.</p>
<p>&#8230; this doesn&#8217;t mean that the ongoing peace-enforcing action in Afghanistan makes any sense whatsoever. I do not believe that it breeds terrorism; but nor do I believe that it prevents any terrorism, or that the potential Afghan or Islamic terrorism would be of such a special kind that it inevitably necessitates overseas preventive military campaigns.</p>
<p>The mess in Afghanistan makes no sense. I&#8217;m sick and tired of seeing the men and the women from the ISAF getting shot at for no purpose and no gain, while the local poppy cultivation is at an all-time high and honour killings are still an everyday phenomenon. The whole region is a _pays barre_, and I&#8217;m in favour of letting it go hang. Leave now, and don&#8217;t look back.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>J. J.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Wisse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Wisse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe only started happening once we allowed ourselves to be embroiled in Afghanistan and Iraq. Being there to fight terrorism has therefore been counterproductive.

And expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, Islamist terrorist attacks in Europe only started happening once we allowed ourselves to be embroiled in Afghanistan and Iraq. Being there to fight terrorism has therefore been counterproductive.</p>
<p>And expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Winning in Afghanistan will need steps that are hard to sell. Essentially it will mean adoping strategies similar to what the US did to solve its own &quot;Indian problem&quot;.  So this could mean relocate villages and basically destroy the sources of Taleban  personel and provisioning.
 I know, for the people sitting in Brussels hiding behind a zillion bodyguards and security measures, this will be frowned upon. If you are a soldier there though, you do not want to risk your life for nothing, especially for a situation that you had nothing to do with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Winning in Afghanistan will need steps that are hard to sell. Essentially it will mean adoping strategies similar to what the US did to solve its own &#8220;Indian problem&#8221;.  So this could mean relocate villages and basically destroy the sources of Taleban  personel and provisioning.<br />
 I know, for the people sitting in Brussels hiding behind a zillion bodyguards and security measures, this will be frowned upon. If you are a soldier there though, you do not want to risk your life for nothing, especially for a situation that you had nothing to do with.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enter left, Internet Tough Guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enter left, Internet Tough Guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 14:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - Be careful what you wish for ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; Be careful what you wish for &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do have an interest to strike back when we are attacked. Stationing troops in a remote Asian places is not something I would prefer, but what is the alternative? And what is the price of being forced to give up on a response that has been chosen, whether we like it or not.

@Alex

We are having a debate because the issue hasn&#039;t been resolved. Prevention is better, if it works. It didn&#039;t work several times. What about that? Ignore it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do have an interest to strike back when we are attacked. Stationing troops in a remote Asian places is not something I would prefer, but what is the alternative? And what is the price of being forced to give up on a response that has been chosen, whether we like it or not.</p>
<p>@Alex</p>
<p>We are having a debate because the issue hasn&#8217;t been resolved. Prevention is better, if it works. It didn&#8217;t work several times. What about that? Ignore it?</p>
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