Comments on: Where All Roads Lead http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/ European Opinion Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:24:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: sglover http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11504 sglover Thu, 03 Nov 2005 04:06:12 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11504 I would suggest that anyone who wants a straightforward, if rather obsessive assesment of the Plame affair to read Mickey Kaus over at Slate, not the Daily Kos for God's sake. Joshua Marshall and Kos aren't the same critter by a long shot. And while I wouldn't rely on Daily Kos as a primary source, Kaus isn't exactly trustworthy either. I would suggest that anyone who wants a straightforward, if rather obsessive assesment of the Plame affair to read Mickey Kaus over at Slate, not the Daily Kos for God’s sake.

Joshua Marshall and Kos aren’t the same critter by a long shot. And while I wouldn’t rely on Daily Kos as a primary source, Kaus isn’t exactly trustworthy either.

]]> By: Mark http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11503 Mark Tue, 01 Nov 2005 06:53:31 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11503 Cheney's aid was trying to point out that it wasn't Cheney that sent him to Niger, it was Wilson's wife. And when Joseph Wilson began spewing lies and half-truths about his trip to Niger, Liddy was trying to point out to reporters what a crackpot he was. However, Liddy undeniably lied under oath, and he will get his wrist slapped smartly, I'm sure. The liberal left will make hay of this tempest in a teapot, since that's about all they've got going any more. Cheney’s aid was trying to point out that it wasn’t Cheney that sent him to Niger, it was Wilson’s wife. And when Joseph Wilson began spewing lies and half-truths about his trip to Niger, Liddy was trying to point out to reporters what a crackpot he was. However, Liddy undeniably lied under oath, and he will get his wrist slapped smartly, I’m sure. The liberal left will make hay of this tempest in a teapot, since that’s about all they’ve got going any more.

]]> By: InfiniteSpeculator http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11502 InfiniteSpeculator Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:58:24 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11502 Italy? Yes now that is a credible source. Italy? Yes now that is a credible source.

]]> By: Rupert http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11501 Rupert Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:07:44 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11501 Doug's 'tectonic plates' are anything but. It's telling that he links to The Daily Kos, whose feverish longings for a Bush scandal have led him to hang his hat on just about anything which smells of Bush or Rove involvement. If anything, the big story with regards to this whole affair is how the NY Times, in it's seemingly endless incompetence, allowed the whole Judith Miller scandal to happen. But I'm sure as this affair fades into the background as every other supposed 'scandal' has in the past 4 years( whatever happened to 'Mother' Sheehan?), the Kos crowd will move on. I would suggest that anyone who wants a straightforward, if rather obsessive assesment of the Plame affair to read Mickey Kaus over at Slate, not the Daily Kos for God's sake. Doug’s ‘tectonic plates’ are anything but. It’s telling that he links to The Daily Kos, whose feverish longings for a Bush scandal have led him to hang his hat on just about anything which smells of Bush or Rove involvement.

If anything, the big story with regards to this whole affair is how the NY Times, in it’s seemingly endless incompetence, allowed the whole Judith Miller scandal to happen.

But I’m sure as this affair fades into the background as every other supposed ’scandal’ has in the past 4 years( whatever happened to ‘Mother’ Sheehan?), the Kos crowd will move on.

I would suggest that anyone who wants a straightforward, if rather obsessive assesment of the Plame affair to read Mickey Kaus over at Slate, not the Daily Kos for God’s sake.

]]> By: Ken http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11500 Ken Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:48:31 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11500 I always thought that the British _and_ French stuck by the story over Niger far, far longer than the Americans did. Am I right in thinking it was taken by the Americans from British intelligence, and that even when doubt was being put on the claims, the Brits stood by it? Just for my information - this whole affair confuses me quite a bit. I always thought that the British _and_ French stuck by the story over Niger far, far longer than the Americans did. Am I right in thinking it was taken by the Americans from British intelligence, and that even when doubt was being put on the claims, the Brits stood by it? Just for my information - this whole affair confuses me quite a bit.

]]> By: Curtis LeMay http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11499 Curtis LeMay Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:30:13 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11499 Italy was the source of the documents?? LMAO! = = = = = "Agent behind fake uranium documents worked for France" The Telegraph London By Bruce Johnston in Rome (Filed: 19/09/2004) "The Italian businessman at the centre of a furious row between France and Italy over whose intelligence service was to blame for bogus documents suggesting Saddam Hussein was seeking to buy material for nuclear bombs has admitted that he was in the pay of France." The man, identified by an Italian news agency as Rocco Martino, was the subject of a Telegraph article earlier this month in which he was referred to by his intelligence codename, "Giacomo". His admission to investigating magistrates in Rome on Friday apparently confirms suggestions that - by commissioning "Giacomo" to procure and circulate documents - France was responsible for some of the information later used by Britain and the United States to promote the case for war with Iraq." = = = = = The frogs... Italy was the source of the documents??

LMAO!

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“Agent behind fake uranium documents worked for France”

The Telegraph
London

By Bruce Johnston in Rome
(Filed: 19/09/2004)

“The Italian businessman at the centre of a furious row between France and Italy over whose intelligence service was to blame for bogus documents suggesting Saddam Hussein was seeking to buy material for nuclear bombs has admitted that he was in the pay of France.”

The man, identified by an Italian news agency as Rocco Martino, was the subject of a Telegraph article earlier this month in which he was referred to by his intelligence codename, “Giacomo”.

His admission to investigating magistrates in Rome on Friday apparently confirms suggestions that - by commissioning “Giacomo” to procure and circulate documents - France was responsible for some of the information later used by Britain and the United States to promote the case for war with Iraq.”

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The frogs…

]]> By: rstanar http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11498 rstanar Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:14:53 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11498 Not really. The Bush administraton was not hanging its hat on the forgeries. That another part of this farce case in the US. The forged documents were later. I'm glad to see that they are being investigated. Not really. The Bush administraton was not hanging its hat on the forgeries. That another part of this farce case in the US. The forged documents were later. I’m glad to see that they are being investigated.

]]> By: venichka http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11497 venichka Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:41:21 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11497 So Chalabi (et al) is and are stupid and lazy as well as corrupt!? So Chalabi (et al) is and are stupid and lazy as well as corrupt!?

]]> By: Greenback http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11496 Greenback Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:45:05 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11496 Chalabi is responsible for the forgeries, this is established evidence. Paul Wolwofitz and Chalabi worked closely and extensively. Paul Wolfowitz was working at the White House at the time forgeries arrived on Bush's desk. Earlier drafts sent to Bush are in circulation. Chalabi is responsible for the forgeries, this is established evidence. Paul Wolwofitz and Chalabi worked closely and extensively. Paul Wolfowitz was working at the White House at the time forgeries arrived on Bush’s desk. Earlier drafts sent to Bush are in circulation.

]]> By: venichka http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/where-all-roads-lead/#comment-11495 venichka Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:20:52 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2033#comment-11495 Presuming that the forgeries were indeed those that were published in fascimile in "La Repubblica" a couple of years ago, in way I think it is rather academic and irrelevent as to who was behind creating them. In fact, they clearly proved themselves incapable of making credible forgeries. The documents contained blatant errors that should have been easily observed by anyone with even a passing knowledge of Nigerien politics (Wrong Ministry name: wrong Minister's name: wrong designation of the cabinet/government - details years out of date). And it wouldn't require a trip to Africa to work this out. The real question is why any weight whatsoever was given to these documents at all in the first place. They were simply not credible or even close to being credible. (Iran's relationship with Niger is another question which could perhaps warrant some exploration, however.) Presuming that the forgeries were indeed those that were published in fascimile in “La Repubblica” a couple of years ago, in way I think it is rather academic and irrelevent as to who was behind creating them. In fact, they clearly proved themselves incapable of making credible forgeries. The documents contained blatant errors that should have been easily observed by anyone with even a passing knowledge of Nigerien politics (Wrong Ministry name: wrong Minister’s name: wrong designation of the cabinet/government - details years out of date). And it wouldn’t require a trip to Africa to work this out.

The real question is why any weight whatsoever was given to these documents at all in the first place. They were simply not credible or even close to being credible.

(Iran’s relationship with Niger is another question which could perhaps warrant some exploration, however.)

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