Comments on: The HRC is dead, long live the HRC? http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/ European Opinion Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:23:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Chan http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14432 Chan Thu, 25 May 2006 13:48:07 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14432 This politics is simply fuck. I doubt the new HRC is not going to work for their personal interests? Lets wait and watch??????????? This politics is simply fuck. I doubt the new HRC is not going to work for their personal interests? Lets wait and watch???????????

]]> By: Victor http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14431 Victor Mon, 22 May 2006 15:29:04 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14431 Goodbye HRC. It was the time to bid you farewell now when you had started working for your personal interests and for the welfare of the country as a whole. May long live the new HRC. Goodbye HRC. It was the time to bid you farewell now when you had started working for your personal interests and for the welfare of the country as a whole.
May long live the new HRC.

]]> By: Dutch http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14430 Dutch Sat, 13 May 2006 19:17:10 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14430 I personally think it is sickening to see how ineffective this blog is at fighting human rights abuses. I think it should be abandoned. One of the essences of the UN is to form a community of all nations, and use this community to advance certain goals like peace and human rights. Insisting on excluding countries from this community is counterproductive. Only on rare occasions where a commision cannot function with certain countries present, should they be excluded. But at the same time it should be taken into account that that would reduce the authority of that commision. In the case of the HRC the selection is made by voting. And it serves no purpose to undermine the legitimacy of that vote. And as an aside, on the TPM blog it was shown that even if the US got its way and the voting rules would require 2/3's of the votes it wouldn't have made much difference. I personally think it is sickening to see how ineffective this blog is at fighting human rights abuses. I think it should be abandoned.

One of the essences of the UN is to form a community of all nations, and use this community to advance certain goals like peace and human rights.

Insisting on excluding countries from this community is counterproductive. Only on rare occasions where a commision cannot function with certain countries present, should they be excluded. But at the same time it should be taken into account that that would reduce the authority of that commision.

In the case of the HRC the selection is made by voting. And it serves no purpose to undermine the legitimacy of that vote.

And as an aside, on the TPM blog it was shown that even if the US got its way and the voting rules would require 2/3’s of the votes it wouldn’t have made much difference.

]]> By: joe http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14429 joe Fri, 12 May 2006 16:24:02 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14429 These kind of violation is not new. Its happening every now and then.Everybody is trying to violate rights in order to protect their own rights. The list is endless. These kind of violation is not new. Its happening every now and then.Everybody is trying to violate rights in order to protect their own rights. The list is endless.

]]> By: dave http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14428 dave Thu, 11 May 2006 13:44:59 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14428 Its is sad to know that people who work sincerly often came into picture with the ones who don't. Theie sincere efforts easily gets stucked in the system. Leave the recognization, they r misunderstood. Its is sad to know that people who work sincerly often came into picture with the ones who don’t. Theie sincere efforts easily gets stucked in the system. Leave the recognization, they r misunderstood.

]]> By: Sebastian Holsclaw http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14427 Sebastian Holsclaw Wed, 10 May 2006 21:29:39 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14427 The problem you outline applies to all sorts of areas at the UN. In many areas the UN provides good PR for countries that want to appear to be doing something while not having to actually commit to anything important or decisive. This especially is true in nuclear non-proliferation, human rights in general and genocide in particular. The UN allows countries to assure their citizens that such problems are not being ignored--they are being dealt with "through the proper channels". It is saddest when people who actually want to make change get sucked into the UN system because their efforts get drafted into the illusion of action--which can be very disheartening when it becomes obvious what is really going on. The problem you outline applies to all sorts of areas at the UN. In many areas the UN provides good PR for countries that want to appear to be doing something while not having to actually commit to anything important or decisive. This especially is true in nuclear non-proliferation, human rights in general and genocide in particular. The UN allows countries to assure their citizens that such problems are not being ignored–they are being dealt with “through the proper channels”. It is saddest when people who actually want to make change get sucked into the UN system because their efforts get drafted into the illusion of action–which can be very disheartening when it becomes obvious what is really going on.

]]> By: sam http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14426 sam Wed, 10 May 2006 12:40:24 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14426 Its not about pointless blaming, its just the way to put light on the failures of old HRC and how they can be more effective. These methods r adopted by people in every field.The fact is just that they came into picture and others go away. Its not about pointless blaming, its just the way to put light on the failures of old HRC and how they can be more effective. These methods r adopted by people in every field.The fact is just that they came into picture and others go away.

]]> By: Guy http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14425 Guy Wed, 10 May 2006 10:03:22 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14425 "but my post is not about blaming countries." Okay, I gave a few examples. That is finger-pointing by proxy, I suppose. I'll try to understand the oppressive cultures of China, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan better. I promise. Shame on me. “but my post is not about blaming countries.”

Okay, I gave a few examples. That is finger-pointing by proxy, I suppose.

I’ll try to understand the oppressive cultures of China, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan better. I promise. Shame on me.

]]> By: Guy http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14424 Guy Wed, 10 May 2006 10:00:43 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14424 "enough finger pointering yet?" Ironically, this is probably why so many offending countries coveted a seat in the old HRC. To cover their asses. "Also human rights come in different standards" This is true and one could argue that Human Rights Watch does not have it standards straight, but my post is not about blaming countries. It is about the failure of, at least, the old HRC to be effective. Whether we should condone human rights violations in other people's cultures is an entirely different question. “enough finger pointering yet?”

Ironically, this is probably why so many offending countries coveted a seat in the old HRC. To cover their asses.

“Also human rights come in different standards”

This is true and one could argue that Human Rights Watch does not have it standards straight, but my post is not about blaming countries. It is about the failure of, at least, the old HRC to be effective. Whether we should condone human rights violations in other people’s cultures is an entirely different question.

]]> By: mingo http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/the-hrc-is-dead-long-live-the-hrc/#comment-14423 mingo Wed, 10 May 2006 06:04:57 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2524#comment-14423 enough finger pointering yet? groundless blaming is no better than violating human rights, the rights to remain innocent till proven guilty.. Also human rights come in different standards, for example, legal ban of abortion might be considered as against women's rights, while certainly some other people don't think so.. failed to protect its citizen from virus such AIDS can be considered as a failure of the government... it all depends.. understand other people, other cultures might help .. and stop this pointless blaming game enough finger pointering yet?
groundless blaming is no better than violating human rights, the rights to remain innocent till proven guilty..
Also human rights come in different standards, for example, legal ban of abortion might be considered as against women’s rights, while certainly some other people don’t think so..
failed to protect its citizen from virus such AIDS can be considered as a failure of the government… it all depends.. understand other people, other cultures might help .. and stop this pointless blaming game

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