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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 15:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant &#039;starting the war&#039; by send troops and tanks on civilians. This was admitted by the Georgean president on Newsweek. Are you people stupid? I am not referring to Russian provocation, like treating Georgeans badly. If your neighbour treat you badly, can you justify taking a machine gun and shooting at them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant &#8216;starting the war&#8217; by send troops and tanks on civilians. This was admitted by the Georgean president on Newsweek. Are you people stupid? I am not referring to Russian provocation, like treating Georgeans badly. If your neighbour treat you badly, can you justify taking a machine gun and shooting at them?</p>
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		<title>By: David Dzidzikashvili</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Dzidzikashvili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia Did Not Start the War: The Russians did!

Since beginning of August 2008, the Russian “Peacekeepers” together with Ossetian illegal militia have been ethnically cleansing Georgian villages and killing innocent civilians! Just think about this…

Many experts and diplomats wondered whether the Russian government is sick with xenophobia and with the nostalgia of &quot;good, old Soviet Union&quot; is trying to revive the forgotten empire. Or maybe they are just playing a very stupid game that will have extremely severe consequences to the future of Russia and its citizens.

It is not a new fact that the people from Caucasus republics are constantly being discriminated in Russia, are targets of Russian neo-Nazi groups and live second class citizens lives. The Russian government never tried to understand the mentality, culture and social norms of the people from the Caucasus region. Throughout history the Russian empire or the Soviets or Putin&#039;s regime have been applying one rule to the Caucasus region in order to maintain control over it: divide and conquer! Putin successfully fueled ethnic tensions between various Caucasus nationalities, so they all had to look up to the Russians for help and the roots of this policy date back to Tsar&#039;s Russian Empire, when the Russians were only able to take control over Caucasus with the help of Caucasus nations, primarily the Georgians. The Georgians thought they were doing a favor and Tsar would leave them alone to govern their own lives, but the Georgians were wrong.

After the collapse of Soviet Union the Russian government successfully fueled ethnic tensions between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, Georgians and Ossetians, Georgians and Abkhazians, Ingushis and Ossetians, etc… This was the only strategy and the only game the Russian rulers played by: fuel hatred, divide the territories, resettle and arm the people so there will be no peace until the Russian soldier places his foot in the region. And of course, the Russian army is known for their outstanding performance in &quot;peacekeeping&quot; missions that have carried out, being involved in genocide, ethnic cleansing (Georgians in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Chechen civilians), rape, murder, torture and the list goes on. At the end it seems that the Russian &quot;peacekeeping mission&quot; is not that peaceful at all. 

It is evident that the Russian political system always been in shape of a Pyramid, where all the political and economic control spheres of country is divided between a leader (Czar, or Secretary General or Prime Minister) at the top, who has a direct control and right hand support of secret service at one angle and military at the other. This is the heart of the Russian political life and everything else develops around it. With a strong propaganda machine, complete control over Russian citizens is assured, as well as &quot;democratic&quot; elections where one candidate always receives the vast majority (if not all) of the votes and there never seems to be opposition to the candidate. And what about the President Medvedev? He is just another toy in Putin&#039;s closet…

Putin decided to send a strong signal to the world and wished to overthrow the Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, but he failed. He strongly believes that the fate of the Georgian people depends on his wishes and is determine to shape the borders of another sovereign country. This move directly threatens the World Order established after World War II. The current World Order is not perfect, but so far, with its deficiencies it is working. 

After the brief war with Georgia, the Russian government tried to justify its move by saying that the Georgians started the war. Here is the first lie! The Georgian government has been saying since beginning of August 2008 that the situation in South Ossetia is escalating and the Russian &quot;peacekeepers&quot; are staging provocations together with illegal armed forces of South Ossetian separatist regime. They started killing Georgian police officers and firing artillery shells at the Georgian villages located in South Ossetia, but the world was preoccupied with getting ready for the opening ceremony of Beijing 2008 Olympics.

When the Georgian government officials told the Europeans in Brussels that we were at the brink of war, the Europeans politely warned the Georgians not to use the word &quot;war&quot; in the city of Brussels, because they do not like the word &quot;war.&quot; It seems that old Europe is getting older each day and with the age, because numerous warnings and cries by the Georgian officials fell on the deaf ears of old Europe. Never mind the fact that it took Hitler conquering Poland and Czechoslovakia, before the Western Europe realized this was a war. 

And what about the Americans? The American society is in the midst of elections, the Democrats want to see Europe take more responsibility for security in Caucasus region, the Republicans are divided and worried about gay marriage and abortion rights… The friends of Georgia in new Europe are trying everything to force the old Europe take harsher approach towards Russia, but Europe is dependent on Russian natural gas and oil.
Giving up on a young democracy does not seem plausible for the Europeans, but the old Europe is scared of the new Russian bear. The new Russia is controlled by a xenophobic psychopath who has decided to break all the rules of the game, in order to change those rules. And the question comes: how can you stop a bully? Everyone can keep condemning the Russian government, but that paper will wind up in Putin&#039;s toilet again… The only way to stop a bully is bully up against the bully – simple rule of life. 

With the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the Russian government has proven the world that they will violate international laws whenever they feel like it and they will use aggression in the name of peace as they did in Prague 1968. If the world would not stand up for Georgia, who will be the next prey of the hungry Russian bear? Maybe Ukraine? Or Moldova? Or who knows… The Russian government is as unpredictable as the weather in England…

The Georgian people are united and stand united, we have survived the onslaught by Mongols, Persians, Arabs, Turk-Seljuks throughout the history and we have still survived and we are not scared of the Russian bear either. 

Just last question to Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin, if you are so concerned about the freedom of small minorities, why not recognize the independence of Chechnya? Then Daghestan? Then Ingushetia? And then all the other autonomous republics where the citizens do not even speak Russian? Think about that at first and then lets discuss the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, after 300,000 Georgian refugees return to their own homes. 
And to my fellow Abkhazian and South Ossetian brothers and sisters. Yes, there will be dancing and celebration in Sokhumi and Tskinvali. Yes, you will be smiling and waving flags - Georgian flags of course….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia Did Not Start the War: The Russians did!</p>
<p>Since beginning of August 2008, the Russian “Peacekeepers” together with Ossetian illegal militia have been ethnically cleansing Georgian villages and killing innocent civilians! Just think about this…</p>
<p>Many experts and diplomats wondered whether the Russian government is sick with xenophobia and with the nostalgia of &#8220;good, old Soviet Union&#8221; is trying to revive the forgotten empire. Or maybe they are just playing a very stupid game that will have extremely severe consequences to the future of Russia and its citizens.</p>
<p>It is not a new fact that the people from Caucasus republics are constantly being discriminated in Russia, are targets of Russian neo-Nazi groups and live second class citizens lives. The Russian government never tried to understand the mentality, culture and social norms of the people from the Caucasus region. Throughout history the Russian empire or the Soviets or Putin&#8217;s regime have been applying one rule to the Caucasus region in order to maintain control over it: divide and conquer! Putin successfully fueled ethnic tensions between various Caucasus nationalities, so they all had to look up to the Russians for help and the roots of this policy date back to Tsar&#8217;s Russian Empire, when the Russians were only able to take control over Caucasus with the help of Caucasus nations, primarily the Georgians. The Georgians thought they were doing a favor and Tsar would leave them alone to govern their own lives, but the Georgians were wrong.</p>
<p>After the collapse of Soviet Union the Russian government successfully fueled ethnic tensions between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, Georgians and Ossetians, Georgians and Abkhazians, Ingushis and Ossetians, etc… This was the only strategy and the only game the Russian rulers played by: fuel hatred, divide the territories, resettle and arm the people so there will be no peace until the Russian soldier places his foot in the region. And of course, the Russian army is known for their outstanding performance in &#8220;peacekeeping&#8221; missions that have carried out, being involved in genocide, ethnic cleansing (Georgians in Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Chechen civilians), rape, murder, torture and the list goes on. At the end it seems that the Russian &#8220;peacekeeping mission&#8221; is not that peaceful at all. </p>
<p>It is evident that the Russian political system always been in shape of a Pyramid, where all the political and economic control spheres of country is divided between a leader (Czar, or Secretary General or Prime Minister) at the top, who has a direct control and right hand support of secret service at one angle and military at the other. This is the heart of the Russian political life and everything else develops around it. With a strong propaganda machine, complete control over Russian citizens is assured, as well as &#8220;democratic&#8221; elections where one candidate always receives the vast majority (if not all) of the votes and there never seems to be opposition to the candidate. And what about the President Medvedev? He is just another toy in Putin&#8217;s closet…</p>
<p>Putin decided to send a strong signal to the world and wished to overthrow the Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili, but he failed. He strongly believes that the fate of the Georgian people depends on his wishes and is determine to shape the borders of another sovereign country. This move directly threatens the World Order established after World War II. The current World Order is not perfect, but so far, with its deficiencies it is working. </p>
<p>After the brief war with Georgia, the Russian government tried to justify its move by saying that the Georgians started the war. Here is the first lie! The Georgian government has been saying since beginning of August 2008 that the situation in South Ossetia is escalating and the Russian &#8220;peacekeepers&#8221; are staging provocations together with illegal armed forces of South Ossetian separatist regime. They started killing Georgian police officers and firing artillery shells at the Georgian villages located in South Ossetia, but the world was preoccupied with getting ready for the opening ceremony of Beijing 2008 Olympics.</p>
<p>When the Georgian government officials told the Europeans in Brussels that we were at the brink of war, the Europeans politely warned the Georgians not to use the word &#8220;war&#8221; in the city of Brussels, because they do not like the word &#8220;war.&#8221; It seems that old Europe is getting older each day and with the age, because numerous warnings and cries by the Georgian officials fell on the deaf ears of old Europe. Never mind the fact that it took Hitler conquering Poland and Czechoslovakia, before the Western Europe realized this was a war. </p>
<p>And what about the Americans? The American society is in the midst of elections, the Democrats want to see Europe take more responsibility for security in Caucasus region, the Republicans are divided and worried about gay marriage and abortion rights… The friends of Georgia in new Europe are trying everything to force the old Europe take harsher approach towards Russia, but Europe is dependent on Russian natural gas and oil.<br />
Giving up on a young democracy does not seem plausible for the Europeans, but the old Europe is scared of the new Russian bear. The new Russia is controlled by a xenophobic psychopath who has decided to break all the rules of the game, in order to change those rules. And the question comes: how can you stop a bully? Everyone can keep condemning the Russian government, but that paper will wind up in Putin&#8217;s toilet again… The only way to stop a bully is bully up against the bully – simple rule of life. </p>
<p>With the recognition of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the Russian government has proven the world that they will violate international laws whenever they feel like it and they will use aggression in the name of peace as they did in Prague 1968. If the world would not stand up for Georgia, who will be the next prey of the hungry Russian bear? Maybe Ukraine? Or Moldova? Or who knows… The Russian government is as unpredictable as the weather in England…</p>
<p>The Georgian people are united and stand united, we have survived the onslaught by Mongols, Persians, Arabs, Turk-Seljuks throughout the history and we have still survived and we are not scared of the Russian bear either. </p>
<p>Just last question to Mr. Putin. Mr. Putin, if you are so concerned about the freedom of small minorities, why not recognize the independence of Chechnya? Then Daghestan? Then Ingushetia? And then all the other autonomous republics where the citizens do not even speak Russian? Think about that at first and then lets discuss the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, after 300,000 Georgian refugees return to their own homes.<br />
And to my fellow Abkhazian and South Ossetian brothers and sisters. Yes, there will be dancing and celebration in Sokhumi and Tskinvali. Yes, you will be smiling and waving flags &#8211; Georgian flags of course….</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See the following account of victims. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7586438.stm

Although it is sad to see so much bloodshed, the initiator, aggressor is Georgia. Now, she is crying...if you know war is painful, why start killing innocent victims in S. Oss? Every pain you Georgians suffer, you must think of the pain you inflicted on others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See the following account of victims. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7586438.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7586438.stm</a></p>
<p>Although it is sad to see so much bloodshed, the initiator, aggressor is Georgia. Now, she is crying&#8230;if you know war is painful, why start killing innocent victims in S. Oss? Every pain you Georgians suffer, you must think of the pain you inflicted on others.</p>
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		<title>By: Mirimas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mirimas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Russia that has occured in South Ossetia on August, 8th when Georgia has attacked Ossetia, the same, that for the USA towers-twins on September, 11th. Quantity of victims respective. Saakashvili the rockets has killed more than 1500 peace inhabitants, and CITIZENS of the Russian Federation! That I see now is there would be the same as though after tragedy on September, 11th 2001, any country has supported Аль-Каиду and in support Ben Ladanu has sent 18 military ships in the help to terrorists. Be on a place of the Russian Federation the USA, for a long time Saakashvili would be hung up. And the USA supported all this time &quot; Caucasian Ben Ladana &quot;.

I.e. that now I see me in mass-media of the Europe horrifies - Russia has attacked small Georgia... That would be if Russian tanks have not entered into Ossetia, that, not having protected the peace population, probably, defenders of human rights does not interest any more, only as Russian kill everything, bears fat... Well it in fact, you see, is immoral also it so awfully. Has still seen a photo with the signature &quot; Russian attack to Georgia &quot; - why do not publish a photo as the Georgian militarians have alive burnt the house with children and old men about whom Putin and as they killed peacemakers spoke. 

Georgia has attacked Ossetia, instead of the Russian Federation to Georgia - in mass-media is even huge quantity links to references of the European editions which refer to &quot; information war &quot;. Western mass-media are not absolutely pure, give not the true information, in particular the Air Forces, therefore it is not necessary to accuse the Russian Federation of all sins at once. The picture which was drawn with the western mass-media, essentially differed from the validity. 

I do not work to the Kremlin, or on Putin as many European mass-media can think. I the simple inhabitant, and this my opinion. Sorry for my English.



Для России то, что произошло в Южной Осетии 8 августа, когда Грузия напала на Осетию, то же самое, что для США башни-близнецы 11 сентября. Количество жертв соответственные. Саакашвили своими ракетами убил более 1500 мирных жителей, причем ГРАЖДАН РФ! Что я вижу сейчас - это было бы то же самое, как если бы после трагедии 11 сентября 2001, какая-либо страна поддержала Аль-Каиду и в поддержку Бен Ладану отправила 18 военных кораблей в помощь террористам. Будь на месте РФ США, давно бы Саакашвили был повешен. А США всё это время поддерживали &quot;Кавказского Бен Ладана&quot;.

Т.е. то, что сейчас я вижу в масс-медия европы меня ужасает - Россия напала на маленькую Грузию... что бы было если бы русские танки не вошли в Осетию, тем самым, не защитив мирное население, видимо, защитников прав человека уже не интересует, только как русские убивают всех, медведи жирные... Ну это ведь, согласитесь, аморально и это так ужасно.

Ещё увидел фотографию с подписью &quot;Русская атака на Грузию&quot; - почему же не публикуют фотографии, как грузинские военные заживо спалили дом с детьми и стариками, о которых говорил Путин, и как они убивали миротворцев.

Именно Грузия напала на Осетию, а не РФ на Грузию - в масс-медия есть даже огромное кол-во ссылок на ссылки европейских изданий, которые называются &quot;информационная война&quot;. Западные масс-медия не совсем чисты, дают не верную информацию, в особенности ВВС, поэтому не стоит сразу обвинять РФ во всех грехах. Картина, которую нарисовали западные СМИ, существенно отличалась от действительности.

Я не работаю на Кремль, или на Путина, как многие европейские масс-медия могут подумать. Я простой обыватель, и это моё мнение.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Russia that has occured in South Ossetia on August, 8th when Georgia has attacked Ossetia, the same, that for the USA towers-twins on September, 11th. Quantity of victims respective. Saakashvili the rockets has killed more than 1500 peace inhabitants, and CITIZENS of the Russian Federation! That I see now is there would be the same as though after tragedy on September, 11th 2001, any country has supported Аль-Каиду and in support Ben Ladanu has sent 18 military ships in the help to terrorists. Be on a place of the Russian Federation the USA, for a long time Saakashvili would be hung up. And the USA supported all this time &#8221; Caucasian Ben Ladana &#8220;.</p>
<p>I.e. that now I see me in mass-media of the Europe horrifies &#8211; Russia has attacked small Georgia&#8230; That would be if Russian tanks have not entered into Ossetia, that, not having protected the peace population, probably, defenders of human rights does not interest any more, only as Russian kill everything, bears fat&#8230; Well it in fact, you see, is immoral also it so awfully. Has still seen a photo with the signature &#8221; Russian attack to Georgia &#8221; &#8211; why do not publish a photo as the Georgian militarians have alive burnt the house with children and old men about whom Putin and as they killed peacemakers spoke. </p>
<p>Georgia has attacked Ossetia, instead of the Russian Federation to Georgia &#8211; in mass-media is even huge quantity links to references of the European editions which refer to &#8221; information war &#8220;. Western mass-media are not absolutely pure, give not the true information, in particular the Air Forces, therefore it is not necessary to accuse the Russian Federation of all sins at once. The picture which was drawn with the western mass-media, essentially differed from the validity. </p>
<p>I do not work to the Kremlin, or on Putin as many European mass-media can think. I the simple inhabitant, and this my opinion. Sorry for my English.</p>
<p>Для России то, что произошло в Южной Осетии 8 августа, когда Грузия напала на Осетию, то же самое, что для США башни-близнецы 11 сентября. Количество жертв соответственные. Саакашвили своими ракетами убил более 1500 мирных жителей, причем ГРАЖДАН РФ! Что я вижу сейчас &#8211; это было бы то же самое, как если бы после трагедии 11 сентября 2001, какая-либо страна поддержала Аль-Каиду и в поддержку Бен Ладану отправила 18 военных кораблей в помощь террористам. Будь на месте РФ США, давно бы Саакашвили был повешен. А США всё это время поддерживали &#8220;Кавказского Бен Ладана&#8221;.</p>
<p>Т.е. то, что сейчас я вижу в масс-медия европы меня ужасает &#8211; Россия напала на маленькую Грузию&#8230; что бы было если бы русские танки не вошли в Осетию, тем самым, не защитив мирное население, видимо, защитников прав человека уже не интересует, только как русские убивают всех, медведи жирные&#8230; Ну это ведь, согласитесь, аморально и это так ужасно.</p>
<p>Ещё увидел фотографию с подписью &#8220;Русская атака на Грузию&#8221; &#8211; почему же не публикуют фотографии, как грузинские военные заживо спалили дом с детьми и стариками, о которых говорил Путин, и как они убивали миротворцев.</p>
<p>Именно Грузия напала на Осетию, а не РФ на Грузию &#8211; в масс-медия есть даже огромное кол-во ссылок на ссылки европейских изданий, которые называются &#8220;информационная война&#8221;. Западные масс-медия не совсем чисты, дают не верную информацию, в особенности ВВС, поэтому не стоит сразу обвинять РФ во всех грехах. Картина, которую нарисовали западные СМИ, существенно отличалась от действительности.</p>
<p>Я не работаю на Кремль, или на Путина, как многие европейские масс-медия могут подумать. Я простой обыватель, и это моё мнение.</p>
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		<title>By: War in the Caucasus &#171; Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>War in the Caucasus &#171; Thoughts Of A Conservative Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] first thing to understand about the war between Russia and Georgia is that Georgia has lost. As Doug Muir explains, seizing South Ossetia required the quick severing, and then holding, of a single key route leading [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chela</title>
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		<dc:creator>chela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to figure out who started this. I&#039;m surfing the net reading analyses but cant make up my mind on how this conflict began. The russian resources are one sided, CNN of course is too.. On one hand, Saakashvili would be the most stupid man on earth to believe that even if Roki tunnel could be blocked, Russians would not attack from the air. And to believe that the west would help in any way other than tv bla bla bla. on the other hand, the Russians kept more or less quiet since 90es when Georgians lost south ossetia, why would they start now? i am really confused. in any case, this probably looks more like a gamble from Georgian side, but russian response is really more than it should have been. Russians started off by bombing only military bases, which i would understand, but then they moved on to bombing residential areas (maybe mistake, maybe not). in any case, when i read above DF Coye&#039;s comment:&quot;Breakaway regions: let them break away! The South Ossetians should have the same right to have their own country that Georgia had when it became a republic. Same with Abkhazia, the Basque Region, Kosovo&quot; i had this idea: yes, you are right, why not allow abkhazia and ossetia to vote for their independence? but in this case, all the misplaced people who fled from Abkhazia and Ossetia in nineties, (around 300K) should return there and cast their vote!! and believe me, they would outnumber the people who live there now! that would be the most appropriate resolving of the both breakaway regions. why is not that possible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to figure out who started this. I&#8217;m surfing the net reading analyses but cant make up my mind on how this conflict began. The russian resources are one sided, CNN of course is too.. On one hand, Saakashvili would be the most stupid man on earth to believe that even if Roki tunnel could be blocked, Russians would not attack from the air. And to believe that the west would help in any way other than tv bla bla bla. on the other hand, the Russians kept more or less quiet since 90es when Georgians lost south ossetia, why would they start now? i am really confused. in any case, this probably looks more like a gamble from Georgian side, but russian response is really more than it should have been. Russians started off by bombing only military bases, which i would understand, but then they moved on to bombing residential areas (maybe mistake, maybe not). in any case, when i read above DF Coye&#8217;s comment:&#8221;Breakaway regions: let them break away! The South Ossetians should have the same right to have their own country that Georgia had when it became a republic. Same with Abkhazia, the Basque Region, Kosovo&#8221; i had this idea: yes, you are right, why not allow abkhazia and ossetia to vote for their independence? but in this case, all the misplaced people who fled from Abkhazia and Ossetia in nineties, (around 300K) should return there and cast their vote!! and believe me, they would outnumber the people who live there now! that would be the most appropriate resolving of the both breakaway regions. why is not that possible?</p>
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		<title>By: Arun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a hundred years, people of that region will be living in a European Union style political and economic arrangement, free to move across &quot;borders&quot; and speak their own languages, and practice their own culture and will wonder what on earth their ancestors shed so much blood for - just like presumably West Europeans of today wonder what it was all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a hundred years, people of that region will be living in a European Union style political and economic arrangement, free to move across &#8220;borders&#8221; and speak their own languages, and practice their own culture and will wonder what on earth their ancestors shed so much blood for &#8211; just like presumably West Europeans of today wonder what it was all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Leondra you are an ignorant brainwashed fool. I am American so let me get help explain the situation over here. First off, yes the U.S. media is biased towards Georgia, but anyone with the internet should be able to see that there is more to the issue. From what it is obvious is that Gerogia attacked first, but there was much provactation from the Russian &quot;peacekeepers&quot;. Russia had expected this an launched a full scale attack on Georgia from which they have opened up 2 fronts and are beseiging Gori. Georgia has called for a truce, but the Russians refused. Russia&#039;s goal is to overthrow Georgia&#039;s president. This is all very hypocritical of Russia because of they did the same thing to Chechnya. Putin longs for the Cold War days and has used anti-US and Jewish propghanda to these ends. There will be no U.S. response from this invasion because we did the similar stupid shit in Iraq, but Iraq was still different for many reasons. Still prickheads like Leondra and Al should realize that over 2/3rds of the Western world don&#039;t agree with American policy abroad. This will be made clear when we elect and Democrat to office who supports withdrawing from Iraq with in 16 months. Also Chavez is a rather weak dictator who has a loud mouth. He has absolutely no military might that would withstand a week of U.S. airstrikes. Most Americans ust ignore his comments altogether. Noone has &quot;clean hands&quot; in this affair. Georgia should not have invaded, but Russia has responded with disproportionate action. The U.S. can not get involved in this war and to tell the truth most Americans don&#039;t even care. At the end of this war nothing will have changed, but a deeper hatred between the West and East.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Leondra you are an ignorant brainwashed fool. I am American so let me get help explain the situation over here. First off, yes the U.S. media is biased towards Georgia, but anyone with the internet should be able to see that there is more to the issue. From what it is obvious is that Gerogia attacked first, but there was much provactation from the Russian &#8220;peacekeepers&#8221;. Russia had expected this an launched a full scale attack on Georgia from which they have opened up 2 fronts and are beseiging Gori. Georgia has called for a truce, but the Russians refused. Russia&#8217;s goal is to overthrow Georgia&#8217;s president. This is all very hypocritical of Russia because of they did the same thing to Chechnya. Putin longs for the Cold War days and has used anti-US and Jewish propghanda to these ends. There will be no U.S. response from this invasion because we did the similar stupid shit in Iraq, but Iraq was still different for many reasons. Still prickheads like Leondra and Al should realize that over 2/3rds of the Western world don&#8217;t agree with American policy abroad. This will be made clear when we elect and Democrat to office who supports withdrawing from Iraq with in 16 months. Also Chavez is a rather weak dictator who has a loud mouth. He has absolutely no military might that would withstand a week of U.S. airstrikes. Most Americans ust ignore his comments altogether. Noone has &#8220;clean hands&#8221; in this affair. Georgia should not have invaded, but Russia has responded with disproportionate action. The U.S. can not get involved in this war and to tell the truth most Americans don&#8217;t even care. At the end of this war nothing will have changed, but a deeper hatred between the West and East.</p>
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		<title>By: Leondra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leondra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the Russians slaughter every Georgian man, woman, and child after what the Georgians did to the poor Ossentians. Then I want Putin and Chavez to send troops to slaughter the Americans, what glee I would take to see the blood of five million dead Americans in a single day of butchering!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the Russians slaughter every Georgian man, woman, and child after what the Georgians did to the poor Ossentians. Then I want Putin and Chavez to send troops to slaughter the Americans, what glee I would take to see the blood of five million dead Americans in a single day of butchering!</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mik,
show me evidence or reports that says the 2000 civilians in S. Ossentia that died were due to Russian missiles and weapons killing them?

You are trying to bring another issue to cover this issue. I am referring to the attack which killed the 2000 innocent S. Ossentia civilians.

The aggressor and murderers are the Georgians (this was even reported in the western media, pro-georgia)

So, if we agree that Georgians killed the innocent civilians, then they have blood on their hands, and have lost the right to cry foul!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mik,<br />
show me evidence or reports that says the 2000 civilians in S. Ossentia that died were due to Russian missiles and weapons killing them?</p>
<p>You are trying to bring another issue to cover this issue. I am referring to the attack which killed the 2000 innocent S. Ossentia civilians.</p>
<p>The aggressor and murderers are the Georgians (this was even reported in the western media, pro-georgia)</p>
<p>So, if we agree that Georgians killed the innocent civilians, then they have blood on their hands, and have lost the right to cry foul!!</p>
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