Comments on: No to Non-Euro NATO Bureau http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/ European Opinion Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:07:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16321 Charly Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:36:37 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16321 They have bought refueling aircrafts but they haven't yet been delivered. They have bought refueling aircrafts but they haven’t yet been delivered.

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16320 Charly Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:05:36 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16320 Walmart without stock. Hunger in the streets of America. ps. During a war you use your factories to make weapons. No need to worry about unemployment Walmart without stock. Hunger in the streets of America.

ps. During a war you use your factories to make weapons. No need to worry about unemployment

]]> By: Alex http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16319 Alex Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:53:47 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16319 China is a continental economy that's specialised on exporting manufactured goods mostly from cities in its eastern third through the ports of Shanghai and Hong Kong, whilst importing immense quantities of oil and metals. All of this goes by sea. What do you think happens if the port of Shanghai is shut down? Mass layoffs, bank crisis, panic in the streets. And Japan *does* have an air-to-air refuelling capability. China is a continental economy that’s specialised on exporting manufactured goods mostly from cities in its eastern third through the ports of Shanghai and Hong Kong, whilst importing immense quantities of oil and metals. All of this goes by sea.

What do you think happens if the port of Shanghai is shut down? Mass layoffs, bank crisis, panic in the streets.

And Japan *does* have an air-to-air refuelling capability.

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16318 Charly Mon, 13 Nov 2006 07:26:24 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16318 They have a fearsome airforce without refueling capability. Their enemies are continental powers so a navy isn't that usefull (without even going into the fact that navy's aren't on the whole that usefull). The Japanese army is to heavy to be airlifted. Also their rocket force isn't up to scratch. On the whole i would say that Japan has a really good defensive army but without the offensive counterweight. This could all change very fast with some strategic investments but as of now i can't see how they could for instance hit the Chinese powergrid even when the Chinese airdefences are on holiday. Also South Korea is the wild card in this. There are some significant doubts on who's side they would fight in a Chinese-Japanes war. They may do the surprising thing and fight on the side of the rising sun About the American nuclear deterence, Japan has the largest stockpile of plutonium in the world. Somehow i doubt that they need that deterence. The core of Russia is Gazprom. Hit it and expect nukes. Don't hit it and see the next CEO of Gazprom make a speach about uninterrupted gas supplies to Europe. Not that we will fold after that. ps. Folding during a speach is not after it They have a fearsome airforce without refueling capability. Their enemies are continental powers so a navy isn’t that usefull (without even going into the fact that navy’s aren’t on the whole that usefull). The Japanese army is to heavy to be airlifted. Also their rocket force isn’t up to scratch. On the whole i would say that Japan has a really good defensive army but without the offensive counterweight. This could all change very fast with some strategic investments but as of now i can’t see how they could for instance hit the Chinese powergrid even when the Chinese airdefences are on holiday.
Also South Korea is the wild card in this. There are some significant doubts on who’s side they would fight in a Chinese-Japanes war. They may do the surprising thing and fight on the side of the rising sun
About the American nuclear deterence, Japan has the largest stockpile of plutonium in the world. Somehow i doubt that they need that deterence.

The core of Russia is Gazprom. Hit it and expect nukes. Don’t hit it and see the next CEO of Gazprom make a speach about uninterrupted gas supplies to Europe. Not that we will fold after that.

ps. Folding during a speach is not after it

]]> By: Alex http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16317 Alex Mon, 13 Nov 2006 01:41:34 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16317 How do you differentiate "offensive" and "defensive"? The Japanese have a fearsome air force, a serious navy (although one without carriers) and a formidable army. Economically, they could take the counter-offensive against China by blockading Shanghai and hitting power-grid nodes. They only need the Americans for a strategic nuclear guarantee. I doubt a Euro-Russian war would go nuclear quickly, if at all. The only way I think it would go nuclear would be if we were arrogant or "Dizzy with Success" (copyright - J. Stalin) enough to threaten the core stability of the state. The Russian army of today is not something to worry about with the exception of a few good units like the 63rd (Cossack) Brigade, all of whom are in Chechnya. If we were to start shooting over, say, Riga or some northern Norwegian gasfield, I would expect the Russians to make some progress until ERRF/1ARRC got there, then take a pub carpark shoeing - and that's if the Latvians or Norwegians didn't know their business in the sense of territorial/local defence. The Norwegians do know their business, as far as my sources tell me - they have been training every year with the Royal Marines since the mid-70s. The problem would be one of consequence management. How to stop? How do you differentiate “offensive” and “defensive”? The Japanese have a fearsome air force, a serious navy (although one without carriers) and a formidable army. Economically, they could take the counter-offensive against China by blockading Shanghai and hitting power-grid nodes. They only need the Americans for a strategic nuclear guarantee.

I doubt a Euro-Russian war would go nuclear quickly, if at all. The only way I think it would go nuclear would be if we were arrogant or “Dizzy with Success” (copyright - J. Stalin) enough to threaten the core stability of the state. The Russian army of today is not something to worry about with the exception of a few good units like the 63rd (Cossack) Brigade, all of whom are in Chechnya. If we were to start shooting over, say, Riga or some northern Norwegian gasfield, I would expect the Russians to make some progress until ERRF/1ARRC got there, then take a pub carpark shoeing - and that’s if the Latvians or Norwegians didn’t know their business in the sense of territorial/local defence. The Norwegians do know their business, as far as my sources tell me - they have been training every year with the Royal Marines since the mid-70s.

The problem would be one of consequence management. How to stop?

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16316 Charly Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:03:47 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16316 You could just as easy add a comment instead of editing a comment. Japan is defensively very strong but it has no offense which is also needed for a good defense. They need the Americans for this. A European-Russia war will go nuclear very fast. To fast to be usefull as a unifing war. But a war between EU and USA over a colony without attacks on the homelands would allow the EU to be unified. You could just as easy add a comment instead of editing a comment.

Japan is defensively very strong but it has no offense which is also needed for a good defense. They need the Americans for this.

A European-Russia war will go nuclear very fast. To fast to be usefull as a unifing war. But a war between EU and USA over a colony without attacks on the homelands would allow the EU to be unified.

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16315 Charly Sun, 12 Nov 2006 07:28:31 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16315 Comment checker wrote i this? [Japan is armed. Heavily] [Yes] Comment checker wrote i this?

[Japan is armed. Heavily]

[Yes]

]]> By: Craig http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16314 Craig Sun, 12 Nov 2006 04:15:57 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16314 "Just like Germany before 1870. The Easiest way to unify a country is to find an extern enemy" Waiting for a Euro-Russian war or summat? Nuclear Sedan! “Just like Germany before 1870.
The Easiest way to unify a country is to find an extern enemy”
Waiting for a Euro-Russian war or summat?

Nuclear Sedan!

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16313 Charly Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:42:39 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16313 Japan would need to rearm with South Korea in the enemy camp (especially with the North Korean weapons which Hyundai paid for) and if Japan was rearmed then they wouldn't need the American army. The US can have bases close to China as long as there is inter Korean animosity. Without that animosity the Koreans may start to remember the 40 years of dictatorship (partly by Japanese collaborators) [Japan is armed. Heavily] Japan would need to rearm with South Korea in the enemy camp (especially with the North Korean weapons which Hyundai paid for) and if Japan was rearmed then they wouldn’t need the American army.

The US can have bases close to China as long as there is inter Korean animosity. Without that animosity the Koreans may start to remember the 40 years of dictatorship (partly by Japanese collaborators)

[Japan is armed. Heavily]

]]> By: Alex http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/no-to-non-euro-nato-bureau/#comment-16312 Alex Fri, 10 Nov 2006 19:12:26 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2740#comment-16312 Charly, in what way would removing US troops from South Korea make them unnecessary in Japan from the Japanese point of view? Surely it would make them all the more necessary as a guarantee against China? And what US interest is served by South Korean/North Korean animosity? I can't think of one. Charly, in what way would removing US troops from South Korea make them unnecessary in Japan from the Japanese point of view? Surely it would make them all the more necessary as a guarantee against China?

And what US interest is served by South Korean/North Korean animosity? I can’t think of one.

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