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		<title>By: Ладушки.Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Putin as of 10/03/2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ладушки.Net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Posts about Putin as of 10/03/2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Iranian Islamic Revolution, that are worth recalling. Also relevant is what happened 20 years ago   Meanwhile in New York and Georgia - fistfulofeuros.net 06/17/2009 The Russian judge was unimpressed by both the technical merits and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Iranian Islamic Revolution, that are worth recalling. Also relevant is what happened 20 years ago   Meanwhile in New York and Georgia &#8211; fistfulofeuros.net 06/17/2009 The Russian judge was unimpressed by both the technical merits and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The next big event in the Serbia-Kosovo story will be the decision of the International Court of Justice, due next summer.

If the ICJ rules in Kosovo&#039;s favor, it&#039;s basically game over -- there will be a bunch of new recognitions, enough to guarantee Kosovo a majority in both the General Assembly and the Security Council within a year or two.  At that point the paradigm shifts to &quot;Kosovo is independent except for Russia&#039;s veto&quot;.

If the ICJ rules against, then things get complicated.  Some countries may retract their recognitions.  Most will not, but the recognizers will remain a minority.  On the ground, the current status quo will continue.

We&#039;ll know next year.


Doug M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The next big event in the Serbia-Kosovo story will be the decision of the International Court of Justice, due next summer.</p>
<p>If the ICJ rules in Kosovo&#8217;s favor, it&#8217;s basically game over &#8212; there will be a bunch of new recognitions, enough to guarantee Kosovo a majority in both the General Assembly and the Security Council within a year or two.  At that point the paradigm shifts to &#8220;Kosovo is independent except for Russia&#8217;s veto&#8221;.</p>
<p>If the ICJ rules against, then things get complicated.  Some countries may retract their recognitions.  Most will not, but the recognizers will remain a minority.  On the ground, the current status quo will continue.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll know next year.</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/meanwhile-in-new-york-and-georgia/comment-page-1/#comment-25622</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somewhere between Taiwan and North Cyprus. And the economy will suck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somewhere between Taiwan and North Cyprus. And the economy will suck.</p>
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		<title>By: Srdjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srdjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;imagining a restoration of Serbian sovereignty is ridiculous.&quot;

And imagining Serbia will accept Kosovo independence is ridiculous...

So, what is big plan? What will be used to force Serbia to accept independence of Kosovo?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;imagining a restoration of Serbian sovereignty is ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>And imagining Serbia will accept Kosovo independence is ridiculous&#8230;</p>
<p>So, what is big plan? What will be used to force Serbia to accept independence of Kosovo?</p>
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		<title>By: Randy McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As it seems, Serbia will enter EU well before Kosovo. As member of EU, it will never accept Kosovo as EU member.&quot;

And you think that Serbia will become an EU member-state sometime soon because ... ? Maybe Serbia and Kosova will get in simultaneously.

At any rate, Kosovar independence is a done deal. More than fifty countries recognize it, state structures are already in place, and imagining a restoration of Serbian sovereignty is ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As it seems, Serbia will enter EU well before Kosovo. As member of EU, it will never accept Kosovo as EU member.&#8221;</p>
<p>And you think that Serbia will become an EU member-state sometime soon because &#8230; ? Maybe Serbia and Kosova will get in simultaneously.</p>
<p>At any rate, Kosovar independence is a done deal. More than fifty countries recognize it, state structures are already in place, and imagining a restoration of Serbian sovereignty is ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver(the other)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver(the other)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it is a long time. But look how much good the observers did in 2008. If you want stability the losers need to recognize nobody cares, they are alone and have no way to regain these territories.
You may argue that&#039;s harsh on Georgia and I agree, but we were talking about stability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it is a long time. But look how much good the observers did in 2008. If you want stability the losers need to recognize nobody cares, they are alone and have no way to regain these territories.<br />
You may argue that&#8217;s harsh on Georgia and I agree, but we were talking about stability.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Merrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Merrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forever&#039;s a mighty long time. Ask the folks in Famagusta.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forever&#8217;s a mighty long time. Ask the folks in Famagusta.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver(the other)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver(the other)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stability needs a clear status. Keeping things in limbo forever won&#039;t help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stability needs a clear status. Keeping things in limbo forever won&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: Srdjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srdjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Cindy6 says.

Setting aside motifs, and i/legality of Kosovan (and Abkhazian/Ossetian) declaration of independence, I always wonder what is EU/USA plan for ending Kosovo crisis? 

It seems that they are head over heels to prove to Serbia that it will not be punished -- EU talks advance, etc.

I still cannot imagine government in Serbia accepting Kosovo independence, regardless which party is in power. So, when USA accepted Kosovo independence as a fact, how they plan to convince Serbia to accept it? As it seems, Serbia will enter EU well before Kosovo. As member of EU, it will never accept Kosovo as EU member.

It seems to me that USA thought that Russia will blink in this game of poker, as many times before and leave Serbia without support. Well, that didn&#039;t happen and they destroyed international system and left Kosovo as a black hole in Balkans.

Recent moves from some EU members actually indicate that there is some underlying racism behind decisions to recognize Kosovo independence -- they actually like Kosovo separated from Serbia, because they like to impose more restrictions on Albanians. For example, there is huge momentum to grant visa-free travel to Serb citizens and major choke point was that EU wanted guarantees that Albanians from Kosovo will not get Serbian passports (easily), so they can keep strict visa regime towards Kosovars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Cindy6 says.</p>
<p>Setting aside motifs, and i/legality of Kosovan (and Abkhazian/Ossetian) declaration of independence, I always wonder what is EU/USA plan for ending Kosovo crisis? </p>
<p>It seems that they are head over heels to prove to Serbia that it will not be punished &#8212; EU talks advance, etc.</p>
<p>I still cannot imagine government in Serbia accepting Kosovo independence, regardless which party is in power. So, when USA accepted Kosovo independence as a fact, how they plan to convince Serbia to accept it? As it seems, Serbia will enter EU well before Kosovo. As member of EU, it will never accept Kosovo as EU member.</p>
<p>It seems to me that USA thought that Russia will blink in this game of poker, as many times before and leave Serbia without support. Well, that didn&#8217;t happen and they destroyed international system and left Kosovo as a black hole in Balkans.</p>
<p>Recent moves from some EU members actually indicate that there is some underlying racism behind decisions to recognize Kosovo independence &#8212; they actually like Kosovo separated from Serbia, because they like to impose more restrictions on Albanians. For example, there is huge momentum to grant visa-free travel to Serb citizens and major choke point was that EU wanted guarantees that Albanians from Kosovo will not get Serbian passports (easily), so they can keep strict visa regime towards Kosovars.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy6</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy6</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kosovo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kosovo.</p>
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