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	<title>Comments on: Katja Gelinsky&#8217;s Peculiar America</title>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/katja-gelinskys-peculiar-america/comment-page-1/#comment-13498</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, thanks for taking the argument seriously. &quot;Deutschland und die Welt&quot; appears in the first section of the FAZ, rather than the feuilliton, which signals news to me, rather than essays and opinions. We both know that the conventions of journalism are different in the US and Germany; many of the news articles I read in the FAZ would be firing offenses at US papers.

Anyway, I am using a bit of a blunt instrument to get at something a little more subtle: a demonstration of the cliches that western Germans tend to hold about the US, and an example of how they are both formed and confirmed.

It&#039;s not even really necessary for FAZ readers to be foolish or gullible (on which point I am agnostic) or to take Gelisky seriously, but if their mental catalog of America already runs along lines of fat, gun-wielding, Jesus-besotted, money-grubbing, niekulturalny, death-penalty-supporting, environment-destroying dummies, then the stream of Gelinsky headlines gets slotted into that picture pretty readily. And I&#039;m sure those readers would swear to not holding anti-American views.

Finally, if Gelinsky is not taken seriously, why is she there? Surely Washington is a bit of a plum posting and any number of German journalists would be thrilled to write about America for the FAZ. I mean, it&#039;s a bigger audience than, say, the Oberarschheim Kurier-Anzeiger, no? If Gelinsky&#039;s serving the readers poorly and taking up space, that&#039;s a problem easily solved.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, thanks for taking the argument seriously. &#8220;Deutschland und die Welt&#8221; appears in the first section of the FAZ, rather than the feuilliton, which signals news to me, rather than essays and opinions. We both know that the conventions of journalism are different in the US and Germany; many of the news articles I read in the FAZ would be firing offenses at US papers.</p>
<p>Anyway, I am using a bit of a blunt instrument to get at something a little more subtle: a demonstration of the cliches that western Germans tend to hold about the US, and an example of how they are both formed and confirmed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not even really necessary for FAZ readers to be foolish or gullible (on which point I am agnostic) or to take Gelisky seriously, but if their mental catalog of America already runs along lines of fat, gun-wielding, Jesus-besotted, money-grubbing, niekulturalny, death-penalty-supporting, environment-destroying dummies, then the stream of Gelinsky headlines gets slotted into that picture pretty readily. And I&#8217;m sure those readers would swear to not holding anti-American views.</p>
<p>Finally, if Gelinsky is not taken seriously, why is she there? Surely Washington is a bit of a plum posting and any number of German journalists would be thrilled to write about America for the FAZ. I mean, it&#8217;s a bigger audience than, say, the Oberarschheim Kurier-Anzeiger, no? If Gelinsky&#8217;s serving the readers poorly and taking up space, that&#8217;s a problem easily solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting argument, which I just discussed it with my wife.  Background: we have subscribed to the FAZ for years, and my wife is busy finishing her Habilitation in American cultural history at the moment (she teaches american literature at the local uni here).  She was very sceptical, and she is sensitive to anti-americanism.  She pointed out that Frau Gelinsky writes for the Feuilltion and, in particular, the &#039;Deutschland und die Welt&#039; section, or as she put it, the Bildzeitung bit.  She doubts that anyone takes Katja Gelinsky very seriously, and I see her point: I take the &#039;Deutschland und die Welt&#039; section so unseriously that I gave up reading it long ago.  On the other hand, maybe we just underestimate how stupid/gullible the average FAZ reader is.

Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting argument, which I just discussed it with my wife.  Background: we have subscribed to the FAZ for years, and my wife is busy finishing her Habilitation in American cultural history at the moment (she teaches american literature at the local uni here).  She was very sceptical, and she is sensitive to anti-americanism.  She pointed out that Frau Gelinsky writes for the Feuilltion and, in particular, the &#8216;Deutschland und die Welt&#8217; section, or as she put it, the Bildzeitung bit.  She doubts that anyone takes Katja Gelinsky very seriously, and I see her point: I take the &#8216;Deutschland und die Welt&#8217; section so unseriously that I gave up reading it long ago.  On the other hand, maybe we just underestimate how stupid/gullible the average FAZ reader is.</p>
<p>Sean</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He explains America to a German audience; the US that he portrays is one that I recognize, even as I see it described in a German newspaper.

Gelinsky is quite different, and I would agree with the parallel about the eXile&#039;s complaints. She writes about the US as if it was supposed to be Germany, and for some incomprehensible reason isn&#039;t. 

Yes, absolutely right. (Very sorry to agree so much). The point of much of foreign reporting is not really to tell your audience at home about what the other place &quot;really&quot; is like, it is rather to compare it to home and to put the &quot;foreign&quot; place into a domestic perspective.

This is also why some foreign reporters are actually much better at writing about their home countries from abroad than they are at writing about abroad for their home audience.

Of course, the problem is that the vast majority will never know this. I think you have to have lived abroad for a couple of years to appreciate this and actually read different newspapers from different countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He explains America to a German audience; the US that he portrays is one that I recognize, even as I see it described in a German newspaper.</p>
<p>Gelinsky is quite different, and I would agree with the parallel about the eXile&#8217;s complaints. She writes about the US as if it was supposed to be Germany, and for some incomprehensible reason isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Yes, absolutely right. (Very sorry to agree so much). The point of much of foreign reporting is not really to tell your audience at home about what the other place &#8220;really&#8221; is like, it is rather to compare it to home and to put the &#8220;foreign&#8221; place into a domestic perspective.</p>
<p>This is also why some foreign reporters are actually much better at writing about their home countries from abroad than they are at writing about abroad for their home audience.</p>
<p>Of course, the problem is that the vast majority will never know this. I think you have to have lived abroad for a couple of years to appreciate this and actually read different newspapers from different countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it me, or is the FAZ slipping?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it me, or is the FAZ slipping?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 15:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Similar things happen domestically, too. That&#039;s why there&#039;s so much to be gained by mau-mauing the NY Times. Their stories are syndicated nationwide, so they appear verbatim in lots of papers. Then there&#039;s the imitation effect, where editors ask their reporters why they didn&#039;t get the story that the Times had. So they go out and get one very much like the Times.

One of the things that makes the FAZ case so interesting is the contrast. Rueb (Rüb, if your browser doesn&#039;t choke on umlauts) is so very good. He explains America to a German audience; the US that he portrays is one that I recognize, even as I see it described in a German newspaper. 

Gelinsky is quite different, and I would agree with the parallel about the eXile&#039;s complaints. She writes about the US as if it was supposed to be Germany, and for some incomprehensible reason isn&#039;t. It&#039;s as if the reporter for the Washington Post were constantly writing wondering why German politics don&#039;t revolve around gun control, abortion, tax cuts and fear of teh gay.

I&#039;d agree with David, too (is all this agreeing going to kill the thread?), that the bias is not organized. In this case, it&#039;s both a product of widespread views among west Germans and a powerful megaphone reinforcing those views. I don&#039;t imagine that holding it up to ridicule will produce much change, but it still pleases me to do so.

Today&#039;s story, btw, is about how few people interred at Guantanamo were actually fighters. It&#039;s an important story, but as it joins the long line of Guantanamo stories she has written (a category I admit I forgot), it misses getting linked to either 1) overall GWB administration incompetence or 2) executive power grab by same, and thus simply comes across as &quot;nyah nyah, we were right all along about Guantanamo.&quot; Thus both playing on and building stereotypes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Similar things happen domestically, too. That&#8217;s why there&#8217;s so much to be gained by mau-mauing the NY Times. Their stories are syndicated nationwide, so they appear verbatim in lots of papers. Then there&#8217;s the imitation effect, where editors ask their reporters why they didn&#8217;t get the story that the Times had. So they go out and get one very much like the Times.</p>
<p>One of the things that makes the FAZ case so interesting is the contrast. Rueb (Rüb, if your browser doesn&#8217;t choke on umlauts) is so very good. He explains America to a German audience; the US that he portrays is one that I recognize, even as I see it described in a German newspaper. </p>
<p>Gelinsky is quite different, and I would agree with the parallel about the eXile&#8217;s complaints. She writes about the US as if it was supposed to be Germany, and for some incomprehensible reason isn&#8217;t. It&#8217;s as if the reporter for the Washington Post were constantly writing wondering why German politics don&#8217;t revolve around gun control, abortion, tax cuts and fear of teh gay.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree with David, too (is all this agreeing going to kill the thread?), that the bias is not organized. In this case, it&#8217;s both a product of widespread views among west Germans and a powerful megaphone reinforcing those views. I don&#8217;t imagine that holding it up to ridicule will produce much change, but it still pleases me to do so.</p>
<p>Today&#8217;s story, btw, is about how few people interred at Guantanamo were actually fighters. It&#8217;s an important story, but as it joins the long line of Guantanamo stories she has written (a category I admit I forgot), it misses getting linked to either 1) overall GWB administration incompetence or 2) executive power grab by same, and thus simply comes across as &#8220;nyah nyah, we were right all along about Guantanamo.&#8221; Thus both playing on and building stereotypes.</p>
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		<title>By: AB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s very common.

You can do the same for The Economist and several German newspapers. There are always one or two trend-setting articles in each issue of the Economist, or surprising statistics etc, you can be pretty sure that next day some German newspapers will carry similar stories.

(I have experienced this first-hand for a few years when I was a subscriber of both Economist and Sueddeutsche Zeitung; the SZ&#039;s economics columnist would pretty much every week steal at least one idea from the Economist).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s very common.</p>
<p>You can do the same for The Economist and several German newspapers. There are always one or two trend-setting articles in each issue of the Economist, or surprising statistics etc, you can be pretty sure that next day some German newspapers will carry similar stories.</p>
<p>(I have experienced this first-hand for a few years when I was a subscriber of both Economist and Sueddeutsche Zeitung; the SZ&#8217;s economics columnist would pretty much every week steal at least one idea from the Economist).</p>
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		<title>By: David Weman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Weman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 03:04:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the MEMRI case is fairly different. They&#039;re probably project of the Israeli government, and they&#039;re certainly not journalists.

Foreign correspondent bias is hardly organized, it&#039;s caused by a confuence of stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the MEMRI case is fairly different. They&#8217;re probably project of the Israeli government, and they&#8217;re certainly not journalists.</p>
<p>Foreign correspondent bias is hardly organized, it&#8217;s caused by a confuence of stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, this almost identical to Abu Aardvark&#039;s complaints about MEMRI, or the eXile&#039;s about Western reporting on Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this almost identical to Abu Aardvark&#8217;s complaints about MEMRI, or the eXile&#8217;s about Western reporting on Russia.</p>
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