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		<title>By: Badtux</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/georgia-and-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-21822</link>
		<dc:creator>Badtux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MANPADs and ATGM&#039;s are not &quot;magic bullets&quot;. They are useful only under certain limited conditions that don&#039;t apply to Georgia outside of the mountain regions. 

Regarding NATO, and treaties in general, there is a general notion of &quot;good faith&quot; involved in things like that. If Georgia had actually joined NATO and then attacked South Ossetia, the likely result of Georgia asking for aid would have been the same: crickets. I.e., &quot;you started it, we have no obligation to come bail your rear end out of the mess you created.&quot; In short, if a treaty was negotiated in bad faith, its signatory countries will decide &quot;uhm, no, we won&#039;t comply with that.&quot; And there is no effective mechanism to compel the signatory countries to do so. There are reasons why nations generally comply with treaties and play along with the fiction of international law, but those reasons don&#039;t apply to starting WWIII on behalf of some nimrod who poked the Russian bear and then demands to be bailed out of his stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MANPADs and ATGM&#8217;s are not &#8220;magic bullets&#8221;. They are useful only under certain limited conditions that don&#8217;t apply to Georgia outside of the mountain regions. </p>
<p>Regarding NATO, and treaties in general, there is a general notion of &#8220;good faith&#8221; involved in things like that. If Georgia had actually joined NATO and then attacked South Ossetia, the likely result of Georgia asking for aid would have been the same: crickets. I.e., &#8220;you started it, we have no obligation to come bail your rear end out of the mess you created.&#8221; In short, if a treaty was negotiated in bad faith, its signatory countries will decide &#8220;uhm, no, we won&#8217;t comply with that.&#8221; And there is no effective mechanism to compel the signatory countries to do so. There are reasons why nations generally comply with treaties and play along with the fiction of international law, but those reasons don&#8217;t apply to starting WWIII on behalf of some nimrod who poked the Russian bear and then demands to be bailed out of his stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: b</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/georgia-and-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-21813</link>
		<dc:creator>b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Germany was put into NATO to keep it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germany was put into NATO to keep it down.</p>
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		<title>By: A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; NATO Protection Only for Perfection?</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/georgia-and-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-21810</link>
		<dc:creator>A Second Hand Conjecture &#187; NATO Protection Only for Perfection?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 05:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Alex Harrowell reminds us that NATO wasn&#8217;t always so timorous about conflict risk exposure: [I]f we assume that Georgia, and specifically Mikhail Saakashvili’s version of it, wasn’t sufficiently responsible (adult, civilised, possibly even white?) to play, how do we explain that Germany got to join in 1955, when a whole great chunk of it was in the other side’s hands? Or Turkey and Greece, who despite being profoundly NATO-integrated regularly use their NATO-standard air defence infrastructure to play cowboys and Indians over the Aegean? One of the reasons for extending membership of NATO, and the EU, has been to reach out first; that it’s better to offer membership, and hope the requirements shape some country’s thinking, than to wait forever for perfection. If this was good enough for Germany, surely it can be good enough for Georgia. (Fistful of Euros) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Alex Harrowell reminds us that NATO wasn&#8217;t always so timorous about conflict risk exposure: [I]f we assume that Georgia, and specifically Mikhail Saakashvili’s version of it, wasn’t sufficiently responsible (adult, civilised, possibly even white?) to play, how do we explain that Germany got to join in 1955, when a whole great chunk of it was in the other side’s hands? Or Turkey and Greece, who despite being profoundly NATO-integrated regularly use their NATO-standard air defence infrastructure to play cowboys and Indians over the Aegean? One of the reasons for extending membership of NATO, and the EU, has been to reach out first; that it’s better to offer membership, and hope the requirements shape some country’s thinking, than to wait forever for perfection. If this was good enough for Germany, surely it can be good enough for Georgia. (Fistful of Euros) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: By The Fault &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Crisis in Georgia &#8212; An Update</title>
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		<dc:creator>By The Fault &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Crisis in Georgia &#8212; An Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and NATO  Fistful of Euros notes that &#8220;the Russian-Georgian war should remind everyone of a very important point [...]</description>
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		<title>By: By The Fault &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Crisis in Georgia &#8212; An Update</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/georgia-and-nato/comment-page-1/#comment-21787</link>
		<dc:creator>By The Fault &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Crisis in Georgia &#8212; An Update</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and NATO  Fistful of Euros notes that &#8220;the Russian-Georgian war should remind everyone of a very important point [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Germany was not inclined to actually do anything against the Soviet Union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Germany was not inclined to actually do anything against the Soviet Union.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Georgia War: NATO as Deterrent or Reassurance?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Georgia War: NATO as Deterrent or Reassurance?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 05:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fistful of Euros discusses the Russo-Georgian war from the perspective of NATOs role as deterrent or factor of reassurance for [...]</description>
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