Comments on: Dutch troops tortured prisoners in Iraq http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/ European Opinion Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:11:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16491 Charly Tue, 05 Dec 2006 01:23:22 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16491 Be smart is one alternative. The other is to create civil war. Iraq has been a success so far but even that has its problems. ps. name a vast colonial empire which lasted more than a 100 year and you get a very short list. Also they all dependend on creating internal strife in the subjugated tribes and large scale mayham with which nukes look favourable. Be smart is one alternative. The other is to create civil war. Iraq has been a success so far but even that has its problems.

ps. name a vast colonial empire which lasted more than a 100 year and you get a very short list. Also they all dependend on creating internal strife in the subjugated tribes and large scale mayham with which nukes look favourable.

]]> By: Oliver http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16490 Oliver Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:29:53 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16490 That is a very drastic option, which cannot be accepted without trying very hard to find an alternative. Furthermore, why would that be so? Vast colonial empires which did survive large uprisings are not without precedent. In essence this looks like letting our own destructive potential in the very worst case deter ourselves into passivity. That is a very drastic option, which cannot be accepted without trying very hard to find an alternative.

Furthermore, why would that be so? Vast colonial empires which did survive large uprisings are not without precedent.

In essence this looks like letting our own destructive potential in the very worst case deter ourselves into passivity.

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16489 Charly Mon, 04 Dec 2006 20:24:09 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16489 We have nukes. There is no other method We have nukes. There is no other method

]]> By: Oliver http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16488 Oliver Mon, 04 Dec 2006 03:35:57 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16488 This is absolutely unwarranted optimism speaking. If our security depends on us being always smart we are out of luck. No, we need to acquire the ability to put down insurrections by force. This is absolutely unwarranted optimism speaking. If our security depends on us being always smart we are out of luck.
No, we need to acquire the ability to put down insurrections by force.

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16487 Charly Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:06:02 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16487 Occupation is not the same as invasion. Nor is force a smart way to influence people. Besides Afghanistan wasn't invaded. We just helped on side to win and we would have been victorious if we spend some money and gave the Pushtun most of their power back Occupation is not the same as invasion. Nor is force a smart way to influence people.

Besides Afghanistan wasn’t invaded. We just helped on side to win and we would have been victorious if we spend some money and gave the Pushtun most of their power back

]]> By: Oliver http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16486 Oliver Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:27:00 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16486 How? How could the invasion of Afghanistan have been avoided? Don't do this is a good idea only if you have an alternative. And remember that your adversary will try his very best to get you into that dilemma, precisely because it is an obvious dilemma. It's nice to be able to appear to be good guys, but it isn't enough. How? How could the invasion of Afghanistan have been avoided? Don’t do this is a good idea only if you have an alternative. And remember that your adversary will try his very best to get you into that dilemma, precisely because it is an obvious dilemma.

It’s nice to be able to appear to be good guys, but it isn’t enough.

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16485 Charly Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:00:50 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16485 This is only applicable when we do an occupation so don't be in the situation that you occupy foreign countries. This is only applicable when we do an occupation so don’t be in the situation that you occupy foreign countries.

]]> By: Oliver http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16484 Oliver Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:18:20 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16484 If we do that, we win this battle to lose the conflict. We'd have clearly shown how to defeat us. The next time we'd face an enemy who can't be bought or has more money than we. Regarding the timing, CNN might not notice, but others will. If we do that, we win this battle to lose the conflict. We’d have clearly shown how to defeat us. The next time we’d face an enemy who can’t be bought or has more money than we.

Regarding the timing, CNN might not notice, but others will.

]]> By: Charly http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16483 Charly Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:18:15 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16483 You don't fight wars to win military but to win political. We win when Afghanistan doesn't become a base for anti European terrorists. And the most likely and cheapest way to achieve that is buying off the Pushtun after they win. Do it during the American retreat from western Euro-Asia and nobody will notice. You don’t fight wars to win military but to win political.

We win when Afghanistan doesn’t become a base for anti European terrorists. And the most likely and cheapest way to achieve that is buying off the Pushtun after they win. Do it during the American retreat from western Euro-Asia and nobody will notice.

]]> By: Oliver http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/dutch-troops-tortured-prisoners-in-iraq/#comment-16482 Oliver Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:01:58 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2762#comment-16482 "Who told you that defeat in Afghanistan is bad." Do I need to be told? The first for real action NATO sees ending in a defeat. The prospect alone, as it is right now is bad enough. The actual realisation that is possible now, would be worse. “Who told you that defeat in Afghanistan is bad.”

Do I need to be told? The first for real action NATO sees ending in a defeat. The prospect alone, as it is right now is bad enough. The actual realisation that is possible now, would be worse.

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