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		<title>By: Saratov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saratov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kosovo has around 2 million people 90% Albanian.
N.Mirtovica (Region) has 60 000 people 90% Serbian (Self Governed and Autonom).
Georgia has around 4 million people 90% Georgian.
S.Ossetia (Region) has 70000 people 90% Ossetian (Self Governed and Autonom).
If Kosovo will invade N.Mitrovica will face the Mighty Serbian Army.
Kosovars are not Making this mistake because they “know very well their self and the enemy”.
Georgian didn’t know “their self and the enemy” and were succumbed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kosovo has around 2 million people 90% Albanian.<br />
N.Mirtovica (Region) has 60 000 people 90% Serbian (Self Governed and Autonom).<br />
Georgia has around 4 million people 90% Georgian.<br />
S.Ossetia (Region) has 70000 people 90% Ossetian (Self Governed and Autonom).<br />
If Kosovo will invade N.Mitrovica will face the Mighty Serbian Army.<br />
Kosovars are not Making this mistake because they “know very well their self and the enemy”.<br />
Georgian didn’t know “their self and the enemy” and were succumbed.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Pez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny Pez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But really, are there no ice hockey metaphors available?&lt;/i&gt;

Putin shoots, he scores!

Or, to put it in sitcom terms, Saakashvili thought he was going on a three-hour tour of the Oahu coast, but wound up shipwrecked on a desert island.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But really, are there no ice hockey metaphors available?</i></p>
<p>Putin shoots, he scores!</p>
<p>Or, to put it in sitcom terms, Saakashvili thought he was going on a three-hour tour of the Oahu coast, but wound up shipwrecked on a desert island.</p>
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		<title>By: Srbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, there are tens of thousands of Ossetians living within Georgia proper, and Saakashvili (who is certainly no democrat) has never engaged in anti-Ossetian propaganda as such.&lt;/i&gt;

However, he did authorize heavy rocket bombardment of South Ossetia &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; conveniently left tunnel open, so Ossetian can flee to Russia.

Even during Croatian ethic cleansing of Serbs, they left Serbs in major Croatian cities (mostly) at peace. Point of ethic cleansing is to reduce minority to manageable level (from 12% to 2-3% in case of Serbs in Croatia).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, there are tens of thousands of Ossetians living within Georgia proper, and Saakashvili (who is certainly no democrat) has never engaged in anti-Ossetian propaganda as such.</i></p>
<p>However, he did authorize heavy rocket bombardment of South Ossetia <i>and</i> conveniently left tunnel open, so Ossetian can flee to Russia.</p>
<p>Even during Croatian ethic cleansing of Serbs, they left Serbs in major Croatian cities (mostly) at peace. Point of ethic cleansing is to reduce minority to manageable level (from 12% to 2-3% in case of Serbs in Croatia).</p>
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		<title>By: Christian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Plain ethic cleansing&lt;/i&gt;

Well, there are tens of thousands of Ossetians living within Georgia proper, and Saakashvili (who is certainly no democrat) has never engaged in anti-Ossetian propaganda as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Plain ethic cleansing</i></p>
<p>Well, there are tens of thousands of Ossetians living within Georgia proper, and Saakashvili (who is certainly no democrat) has never engaged in anti-Ossetian propaganda as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Srbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The single most important objective was NOT the capital of Ossetia, but holding (or blowing) that tunnel to Russia.

Actually, it seems that objective was to pound heavy artillery over Tskhinvali and leave tunnel intentionally open so Ossetians can flee to Russia. Plain ethic cleansing.

Off course, West will never accept that their &#039;democratic&#039; president of Georgia was planing ethnic cleansing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The single most important objective was NOT the capital of Ossetia, but holding (or blowing) that tunnel to Russia.</p>
<p>Actually, it seems that objective was to pound heavy artillery over Tskhinvali and leave tunnel intentionally open so Ossetians can flee to Russia. Plain ethic cleansing.</p>
<p>Off course, West will never accept that their &#8216;democratic&#8217; president of Georgia was planing ethnic cleansing.</p>
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		<title>By: Balloon Juice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balloon Juice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Saakashvili thought he was a player in the game, when really he was just the ball. In fact, because of our possible behind the scenes antics, not only may we have falsely emboldened the foolish leader of Georgia, we may be responsible for a large part of the perception of him in Russia: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Saakashvili thought he was a player in the game, when really he was just the ball. In fact, because of our possible behind the scenes antics, not only may we have falsely emboldened the foolish leader of Georgia, we may be responsible for a large part of the perception of him in Russia: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Busse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marty Busse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you looked at the terms of the unconditional ceasefire?  

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/11/georgia.russia/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;A Georgian National Security Council official said the document signed by Saakashvili called for an unconditional cease-fire, a non-use of force agreement, a withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory, including the South Ossetia region, and provisions for international peacekeeping and mediation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

I don&#039;t think the Russians are being all that unreasonable in rejecting an unconditional ceasefire that has conditions which amount to them giving up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you looked at the terms of the unconditional ceasefire?  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/11/georgia.russia/index.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>A Georgian National Security Council official said the document signed by Saakashvili called for an unconditional cease-fire, a non-use of force agreement, a withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgian territory, including the South Ossetia region, and provisions for international peacekeeping and mediation.</p></blockquote>
<p></a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the Russians are being all that unreasonable in rejecting an unconditional ceasefire that has conditions which amount to them giving up.</p>
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		<title>By: Badtux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Badtux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russia normally has several hundred thousand troops and a couple hundred jet aircraft in the area, because, uhm, remember Chechnya? As in, 20 miles from Vladikavkaz, where Russia keeps major armor and jet forces ready in case Chechnyan fighting breaks out again? Vladikavkaz, as in, 30 miles from South Ossetia?

No conspiracy needed as to why Russia had forces -- and their best forces, armed with T-90 tanks -- in the area. This area has been a tinderbox for years. One thing is clear, however, that they had an operational plan for going into South Ossetia and executed it. But then, the United States has an operational plan for invading Canada, so that means nothing. Militaries make operational plans all the time and file them away in case they&#039;re ever needed, but the fact that the U.S. has a plan for invading Canada does not mean that the U.S. actually is expecting to invade Canada. It apparently took 11 hours between the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia and the Russians getting underway from Vladikavkaz (it takes about an hour for armor forces to get from Vladikavkaz to South Ossetia and everybody seems to agree that Russian forces got there 12 hours after fighting started). That is hardly &quot;Russian forces ready and waiting to enter South Ossetia&quot; territory. That is exactly what you would expect if the Russians were taken unawares and had to organize a response from a base an hour away from South Ossetia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia normally has several hundred thousand troops and a couple hundred jet aircraft in the area, because, uhm, remember Chechnya? As in, 20 miles from Vladikavkaz, where Russia keeps major armor and jet forces ready in case Chechnyan fighting breaks out again? Vladikavkaz, as in, 30 miles from South Ossetia?</p>
<p>No conspiracy needed as to why Russia had forces &#8212; and their best forces, armed with T-90 tanks &#8212; in the area. This area has been a tinderbox for years. One thing is clear, however, that they had an operational plan for going into South Ossetia and executed it. But then, the United States has an operational plan for invading Canada, so that means nothing. Militaries make operational plans all the time and file them away in case they&#8217;re ever needed, but the fact that the U.S. has a plan for invading Canada does not mean that the U.S. actually is expecting to invade Canada. It apparently took 11 hours between the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia and the Russians getting underway from Vladikavkaz (it takes about an hour for armor forces to get from Vladikavkaz to South Ossetia and everybody seems to agree that Russian forces got there 12 hours after fighting started). That is hardly &#8220;Russian forces ready and waiting to enter South Ossetia&#8221; territory. That is exactly what you would expect if the Russians were taken unawares and had to organize a response from a base an hour away from South Ossetia.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Doug,
looks like the georgian prez agrees today with  the comment I made yesterday: &quot;Russia has effectively cut the country in half&quot;.  I will be interested seeing how this story develops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Doug,<br />
looks like the georgian prez agrees today with  the comment I made yesterday: &#8220;Russia has effectively cut the country in half&#8221;.  I will be interested seeing how this story develops.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Baird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, an interesting point was made in the Ares blog, Aviation Week&#039;s blog.  The main thrust of the article is that Russotech air defenses work well on RussoTech Air Forces, but the quote, which I am not so sure I buy, but &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; interesting was...

&lt;blockquote&gt;“The Russians have gone to great lengths to try and implicate the Ukraine in the Russian Air Force losses, even going as far as to suggest that an SA-5 sold to the Georgians by the Ukraine was responsible for the Backfire loss,” a second U.S. analyst says. “That&#039;s clearly not the case, but shows the Russian attempt to bring the Ukraine into the periphery of this event by implication...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If true, that&#039;s a lot of pressure that&#039;s going to be brought to bare on Ukraine, if not more than mere pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, an interesting point was made in the Ares blog, Aviation Week&#8217;s blog.  The main thrust of the article is that Russotech air defenses work well on RussoTech Air Forces, but the quote, which I am not so sure I buy, but <i>is</i> interesting was&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>“The Russians have gone to great lengths to try and implicate the Ukraine in the Russian Air Force losses, even going as far as to suggest that an SA-5 sold to the Georgians by the Ukraine was responsible for the Backfire loss,” a second U.S. analyst says. “That&#8217;s clearly not the case, but shows the Russian attempt to bring the Ukraine into the periphery of this event by implication&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>If true, that&#8217;s a lot of pressure that&#8217;s going to be brought to bare on Ukraine, if not more than mere pressure.</p>
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