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		<title>By: Petr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward,

Thanks for the detailed review! I read fistfulofeuros solely because of your posts :) However you almost never write about Switzerland. Can you comment on the state of the Swiss economy? It is a major european financial hub, so it would be very interesting to find out how it is doing in times of a crisis.

Petr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward,</p>
<p>Thanks for the detailed review! I read fistfulofeuros solely because of your posts <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  However you almost never write about Switzerland. Can you comment on the state of the Swiss economy? It is a major european financial hub, so it would be very interesting to find out how it is doing in times of a crisis.</p>
<p>Petr</p>
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		<title>By: Perplexed in Montreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perplexed in Montreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the analysis. It is uncommon to read intelligent things about France in the economic mainstream media.
As you like to dissect numbers, I have an enigma that you may be interested to comment. The French foreign trade balance, after a low point at the end of 2008, has shown a steady and significant improvement since
(http://lekiosque.finances.gouv.fr/Appchiffre/P_boussole.asp#)
This seems incompatible with standard theory since (1) French economy growth, including internal demand, is much higher than that of the neighbours (or, more accurately, falls at a slower rate) and (2) the euro is overvalued.
As an aside, it is the opposite in the UK, where a competitive devaluation of 25% and a higher shrinkage of the economy than the environment did nothing to improve external trade.
Do you have clues regarding this conundrum?
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the analysis. It is uncommon to read intelligent things about France in the economic mainstream media.<br />
As you like to dissect numbers, I have an enigma that you may be interested to comment. The French foreign trade balance, after a low point at the end of 2008, has shown a steady and significant improvement since<br />
(<a href="http://lekiosque.finances.gouv.fr/Appchiffre/P_boussole.asp#" rel="nofollow">http://lekiosque.finances.gouv.fr/Appchiffre/P_boussole.asp#</a>)<br />
This seems incompatible with standard theory since (1) French economy growth, including internal demand, is much higher than that of the neighbours (or, more accurately, falls at a slower rate) and (2) the euro is overvalued.<br />
As an aside, it is the opposite in the UK, where a competitive devaluation of 25% and a higher shrinkage of the economy than the environment did nothing to improve external trade.<br />
Do you have clues regarding this conundrum?<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 15:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding household consumption, &quot;why does the French economy and none other exhibit this profile?&quot;

Austria does :-)

http://www.wifo.ac.at/wwa/servlet/wwa.upload.DownloadServlet/bdoc/P_2009_11_13$.PDF

In Austria, the houselhold consumption shows a robustness comparable to the french situation, though Austria&#039;s economy is much more open and dependent to the international conjuncture than the french one.

This said, I can&#039;t give you a reason for such a stability (0,1% growth in private household consumption from quarter to quarter since Q2 2008), its far above my knowledge of this country&#039;s economy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding household consumption, &#8220;why does the French economy and none other exhibit this profile?&#8221;</p>
<p>Austria does <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.wifo.ac.at/wwa/servlet/wwa.upload.DownloadServlet/bdoc/P_2009_11_13$.PDF" rel="nofollow">http://www.wifo.ac.at/wwa/servlet/wwa.upload.DownloadServlet/bdoc/P_2009_11_13$.PDF</a></p>
<p>In Austria, the houselhold consumption shows a robustness comparable to the french situation, though Austria&#8217;s economy is much more open and dependent to the international conjuncture than the french one.</p>
<p>This said, I can&#8217;t give you a reason for such a stability (0,1% growth in private household consumption from quarter to quarter since Q2 2008), its far above my knowledge of this country&#8217;s economy</p>
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		<title>By: Ausführlicher über das europäische Wachstum&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ausführlicher über das europäische Wachstum&#160;&#8226;&#160;Börsennotizbuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: french derek</title>
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		<dc:creator>french derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edward, to what extent is the French,&quot;tortoise-like&quot; economy a reflection of the (still) high levels of public service employment? 

Such employees have retained their jobs (and spending power). M Sarkozy is, of course, intent on replacing only 1 in 2 of those retiring, or otherwise leaving their service. But those retiring will receive (guaranteed) pensions, whilst those leaving for other reasons will, presumably, have paying jobs to go to?

Whilst the high level of public employment may be helpful in the current crisis, it has been shown to be a drag on economic expansion in normal times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edward, to what extent is the French,&#8221;tortoise-like&#8221; economy a reflection of the (still) high levels of public service employment? </p>
<p>Such employees have retained their jobs (and spending power). M Sarkozy is, of course, intent on replacing only 1 in 2 of those retiring, or otherwise leaving their service. But those retiring will receive (guaranteed) pensions, whilst those leaving for other reasons will, presumably, have paying jobs to go to?</p>
<p>Whilst the high level of public employment may be helpful in the current crisis, it has been shown to be a drag on economic expansion in normal times.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 11:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ombragageux,

Basically for the sort of reasons Will gives, plus France’s very positive demographics. Consumption driven economies (as opposed to economies where consumption simply rises in association with other factors, like investment for export) depend on consumer credit increases. France has a higher proportion of people in the relevant age groups for borrowing than most other Eurozone countries, plus debt levels did not rise too high during the last cycle (as in Spain), so France is ready to assume a higher level of private indebtedness.

I would stress I am not saying that this is all positive, since what we are seeing is increasing structural distortion in the French economy (as we have seen in other consumption driven economies last time round), with a decline in manufacturing share, and a slow but steady loss of international competitiveness.

In economics you can seldom find “free lunches”. If you want more explanation see my last post on the French economic linked in the post above.

Will

“Over a longer period I would not necessarily agree that the French economy is the only one in the Eurozone that will have a strong domestic consumption element at its core.”

You wouldn’t like to advance a list of possible candidates would you :)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ombragageux,</p>
<p>Basically for the sort of reasons Will gives, plus France’s very positive demographics. Consumption driven economies (as opposed to economies where consumption simply rises in association with other factors, like investment for export) depend on consumer credit increases. France has a higher proportion of people in the relevant age groups for borrowing than most other Eurozone countries, plus debt levels did not rise too high during the last cycle (as in Spain), so France is ready to assume a higher level of private indebtedness.</p>
<p>I would stress I am not saying that this is all positive, since what we are seeing is increasing structural distortion in the French economy (as we have seen in other consumption driven economies last time round), with a decline in manufacturing share, and a slow but steady loss of international competitiveness.</p>
<p>In economics you can seldom find “free lunches”. If you want more explanation see my last post on the French economic linked in the post above.</p>
<p>Will</p>
<p>“Over a longer period I would not necessarily agree that the French economy is the only one in the Eurozone that will have a strong domestic consumption element at its core.”</p>
<p>You wouldn’t like to advance a list of possible candidates would you <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ?</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another excellent piece.  Ombragageux, I&#039;m sure Edward could give you a far superior answer to your question, but I would just highlight some of the factors that *might* be behind stronger consumption trends in France:
Relatively rigid labour market - supports confidence during downturn
Comparatively sensible household debt levels on entering the downturn
Targeted fiscal stimulus measures (not just cash for clunkers)

But I would say that these factors mainly support short term outperformance of the French consumer market.  Over a longer period I would not necessarily agree that the French economy is the only one in the Eurozone that will have a strong domestic consumption element at its core.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another excellent piece.  Ombragageux, I&#8217;m sure Edward could give you a far superior answer to your question, but I would just highlight some of the factors that *might* be behind stronger consumption trends in France:<br />
Relatively rigid labour market &#8211; supports confidence during downturn<br />
Comparatively sensible household debt levels on entering the downturn<br />
Targeted fiscal stimulus measures (not just cash for clunkers)</p>
<p>But I would say that these factors mainly support short term outperformance of the French consumer market.  Over a longer period I would not necessarily agree that the French economy is the only one in the Eurozone that will have a strong domestic consumption element at its core.</p>
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		<title>By: Ombrageux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ombrageux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is France seemingly the only Eurozone country capable of domestic consumption-led growth?</description>
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