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	<title>Comments on: Estonia&#8217;s Neck Goes Into A Latvian-style Noose</title>
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		<title>By: Jörg Wenck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jörg Wenck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;wouldn&quot; is supposed to read &quot;would not&quot; (as I assume to be obvious anyway).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;wouldn&#8221; is supposed to read &#8220;would not&#8221; (as I assume to be obvious anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Jörg Wenck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jörg Wenck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) &quot;the more revenue rises, the more spending grows, the more the fiscal deficit goes up&quot;

The transition from step 1 to step 2 in this sequence obviously wouldn happen in a &quot;paradox of fiscal thrift&quot; situation with pre-existing debt. 

2) The Estonian fiscal deficit is less than one third of the profit the boss of hedge fund Renaissance Technologies made a wile back. How exactly is there supposed to be no possible exit from the current mess?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) &#8220;the more revenue rises, the more spending grows, the more the fiscal deficit goes up&#8221;</p>
<p>The transition from step 1 to step 2 in this sequence obviously wouldn happen in a &#8220;paradox of fiscal thrift&#8221; situation with pre-existing debt. </p>
<p>2) The Estonian fiscal deficit is less than one third of the profit the boss of hedge fund Renaissance Technologies made a wile back. How exactly is there supposed to be no possible exit from the current mess?</p>
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		<title>By: Tänased lingid (30.06.2009) &#171; Fear and Loathing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tänased lingid (30.06.2009) &#171; Fear and Loathing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tundub, et sõnusin reedel ära, Edward Hugh tegigi Eestist juttu: Eesti kael lätilikus silmuses. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Tundub, et sõnusin reedel ära, Edward Hugh tegigi Eestist juttu: Eesti kael lätilikus silmuses. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Links: 2009-06-30 - Credit Writedowns</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links: 2009-06-30 - Credit Writedowns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The year-on-year numbers are still truly awful. But, as with the rest of Asia, the month-on-month numbers are amazing.Estonia’s Neck Goes Into A Latvian-style Noose &#8211; Edward Hugh [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The year-on-year numbers are still truly awful. But, as with the rest of Asia, the month-on-month numbers are amazing.Estonia’s Neck Goes Into A Latvian-style Noose &#8211; Edward Hugh [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Govs,

Thanks for this, very interesting perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Govs,</p>
<p>Thanks for this, very interesting perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Estonia: Budget cuts and GDP decrease</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Estonia: Budget cuts and GDP decrease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fistful Of Euros points at the link between budget cuts and GDP decrease in Estonia.        Cancel this [...]</description>
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		<title>By: govs from Latvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>govs from Latvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree - the convergence theory holds here. Until now Estonia was trying to distantiate from Latvia and complained that Latvia spoil the common Baltic image. However, the evidence shows that outcome in Estonia is the same as in Latvia, only with a lag.

Regarding perspectives there is a very high structural risk for Estonia. Production fell Apr 09/ Apr 08 -33.7% in Estonia, Apr 09/Mar 09 fall was -2.8%. In Latvia production grew Apr 09/Mar 09 was +4.8%. 

http://www.dv.ee/Default2.aspx?ArticleID=e3d4c249-74f1-43c8-8f70-490eb087029c&amp;open=sec

The big overall slump in Latvian GDP is caused by extremely undergoing added value in finance and retail trade sectors, which are, however, structurally not so important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree &#8211; the convergence theory holds here. Until now Estonia was trying to distantiate from Latvia and complained that Latvia spoil the common Baltic image. However, the evidence shows that outcome in Estonia is the same as in Latvia, only with a lag.</p>
<p>Regarding perspectives there is a very high structural risk for Estonia. Production fell Apr 09/ Apr 08 -33.7% in Estonia, Apr 09/Mar 09 fall was -2.8%. In Latvia production grew Apr 09/Mar 09 was +4.8%. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dv.ee/Default2.aspx?ArticleID=e3d4c249-74f1-43c8-8f70-490eb087029c&#038;open=sec" rel="nofollow">http://www.dv.ee/Default2.aspx?ArticleID=e3d4c249-74f1-43c8-8f70-490eb087029c&#038;open=sec</a></p>
<p>The big overall slump in Latvian GDP is caused by extremely undergoing added value in finance and retail trade sectors, which are, however, structurally not so important.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi govs,

I&#039;m sure you are right that the origins of the problem are different in the two countries, although both had huge borrowing financed consumer and housing booms. Unfortunately, the outcome in both cases is likely to be depressingly similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi govs,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you are right that the origins of the problem are different in the two countries, although both had huge borrowing financed consumer and housing booms. Unfortunately, the outcome in both cases is likely to be depressingly similar.</p>
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		<title>By: govs from Latvia</title>
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		<dc:creator>govs from Latvia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The origin of problems is different for Latvian and Estonia. Latvia has been hit hardly by its accidental banking crisis. The Estonia is suffering from structural weakness of its production.

Latvia is producing chemicals and pharmaceuticals which are much more stable during recession. Estonia is assembling mobile phones. Which idiot will purchase a new 500$ mobile phone during recession?

It is a very big &quot;?&quot; where the recovery will come for countries which are addicted to exports - as Germany and Estonia. Who needs a new car and/or a new mobile phone when most do not have enough money for food? At time now the only means of restoring the purchasing power for such goods are governmental stimulus. How many cars and handys can the government afford?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The origin of problems is different for Latvian and Estonia. Latvia has been hit hardly by its accidental banking crisis. The Estonia is suffering from structural weakness of its production.</p>
<p>Latvia is producing chemicals and pharmaceuticals which are much more stable during recession. Estonia is assembling mobile phones. Which idiot will purchase a new 500$ mobile phone during recession?</p>
<p>It is a very big &#8220;?&#8221; where the recovery will come for countries which are addicted to exports &#8211; as Germany and Estonia. Who needs a new car and/or a new mobile phone when most do not have enough money for food? At time now the only means of restoring the purchasing power for such goods are governmental stimulus. How many cars and handys can the government afford?</p>
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		<title>By: Twitted by afoe_tw</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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