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		<title>By: Noel Maurer</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/shifting-tectonic-plates/comment-page-1/#comment-20591</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 16:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, David,

In Mexico, nobody takes &quot;norteamericano&quot; to include them.  At times, you&#039;ll hear people using the term to include Mexico either as a joke or when talking about the country&#039;s investment rating.  I&#039;ve been to Spain several times, and the same is true there, even if as you say Mexico is technically in North America.  

&quot;Estadounidense&quot; is used, but some (only some) consider it pedantic.  I use it all the time, but I have been teased about it.  

Besides which, Mexico is also officially a group of &quot;estados unidos,&quot; as in the Estados Unidos Mexicanos.  

In general, though, nobody really cares about any of this, which I think might hold some lessons for parts of the Old World.

http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/03/sabidura-del-oc.html

and

http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/04/mas-sabidura-de.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, David,</p>
<p>In Mexico, nobody takes &#8220;norteamericano&#8221; to include them.  At times, you&#8217;ll hear people using the term to include Mexico either as a joke or when talking about the country&#8217;s investment rating.  I&#8217;ve been to Spain several times, and the same is true there, even if as you say Mexico is technically in North America.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Estadounidense&#8221; is used, but some (only some) consider it pedantic.  I use it all the time, but I have been teased about it.  </p>
<p>Besides which, Mexico is also officially a group of &#8220;estados unidos,&#8221; as in the Estados Unidos Mexicanos.  </p>
<p>In general, though, nobody really cares about any of this, which I think might hold some lessons for parts of the Old World.</p>
<p><a href="http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/03/sabidura-del-oc.html" rel="nofollow">http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/03/sabidura-del-oc.html</a></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><a href="http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/04/mas-sabidura-de.html" rel="nofollow">http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/04/mas-sabidura-de.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 10:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to say that 1) we traditionally learn 5 continents in Spain: Europe, Asia, Africa, America and Oceania. 2) The correct way to refer to US people is not norteamericano, which would also embrace Mexicans and Canadians, but estadounidense. 3) The continent thing is indeed a bit arbitrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to say that 1) we traditionally learn 5 continents in Spain: Europe, Asia, Africa, America and Oceania. 2) The correct way to refer to US people is not norteamericano, which would also embrace Mexicans and Canadians, but estadounidense. 3) The continent thing is indeed a bit arbitrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Maurer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What your German friend told you is what Mexicans learn in school.

As for &quot;norteamericano,&quot; its use is waning.  Frex, the Mexican president regularly uses &quot;americano&quot; in public appearances and nobody corrects him.
 
On the other hand, the country to the north is always referred to as &quot;Estados Unidos,&quot; no definite article necessary.  That&#039;s not a grammatical quirk of Spanish, but a Mexican thing:  &quot;I&#039;m going to United States, United States is north of here, Pasadena is in United States?&quot;  

I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a sociological message there, but I&#039;ll be damned if I know what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What your German friend told you is what Mexicans learn in school.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;norteamericano,&#8221; its use is waning.  Frex, the Mexican president regularly uses &#8220;americano&#8221; in public appearances and nobody corrects him.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the country to the north is always referred to as &#8220;Estados Unidos,&#8221; no definite article necessary.  That&#8217;s not a grammatical quirk of Spanish, but a Mexican thing:  &#8220;I&#8217;m going to United States, United States is north of here, Pasadena is in United States?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a sociological message there, but I&#8217;ll be damned if I know what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merrill, not Muir.

And the point is that the number of continents is one of those funny, socially constructed things.

I&#039;ll have to cross-check to make sure my memory hasn&#039;t flaked, but I seem to remember being told by a German that there are five continents: America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia. As I recall, my answer was well what about Antarctica. And the reply was, well what about Antarctica?

I&#039;m willing to grant that North and South America are essentially one land mass. But then: Eurasia. Or is there an argument for separating those two that I&#039;m missing? (And that doesn&#039;t apply similarly to, say, India?)

(Parenthetically, something I&#039;m sure you&#039;re better placed than I am to estimate is how generally Norteamericano (or whatever the correct spelling is) is used in Spanish...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merrill, not Muir.</p>
<p>And the point is that the number of continents is one of those funny, socially constructed things.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to cross-check to make sure my memory hasn&#8217;t flaked, but I seem to remember being told by a German that there are five continents: America, Europe, Asia, Africa and Australia. As I recall, my answer was well what about Antarctica. And the reply was, well what about Antarctica?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to grant that North and South America are essentially one land mass. But then: Eurasia. Or is there an argument for separating those two that I&#8217;m missing? (And that doesn&#8217;t apply similarly to, say, India?)</p>
<p>(Parenthetically, something I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;re better placed than I am to estimate is how generally Norteamericano (or whatever the correct spelling is) is used in Spanish&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Noel Maurer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noel Maurer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely the above isn&#039;t Doug Muir?

Everywhere south of the Rio Bravo, &quot;America&quot; refers to the entire continent, north and south both.  That&#039;s the aversion Alex was making, I&#039;m sure.  Right, Alex?

So there&#039;s no nit to pick.  Unless you want to question the whole idea of the &quot;continent.&quot;  Which is fine with me.  But kind of pointless.

Kind of like Argentine HST project.  

http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/05/observatorio-ar.html

Counterarguments are desired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely the above isn&#8217;t Doug Muir?</p>
<p>Everywhere south of the Rio Bravo, &#8220;America&#8221; refers to the entire continent, north and south both.  That&#8217;s the aversion Alex was making, I&#8217;m sure.  Right, Alex?</p>
<p>So there&#8217;s no nit to pick.  Unless you want to question the whole idea of the &#8220;continent.&#8221;  Which is fine with me.  But kind of pointless.</p>
<p>Kind of like Argentine HST project.  </p>
<p><a href="http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/05/observatorio-ar.html" rel="nofollow">http://hdtd.typepad.com/hdtd/2008/05/observatorio-ar.html</a></p>
<p>Counterarguments are desired.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 06:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Department of picked nits: Are Europe and Asia separate continents? If so, then surely North and South America are...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Department of picked nits: Are Europe and Asia separate continents? If so, then surely North and South America are&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, then, like a Class 91 like we had in 1991. It&#039;s still no TGV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, then, like a Class 91 like we had in 1991. It&#8217;s still no TGV.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
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		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 11:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to see an HST achieve 240km/h...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to see an HST achieve 240km/h&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Harrowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Harrowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John: No, it counts as being a British train like we had in 1976, 25 years later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John: No, it counts as being a British train like we had in 1976, 25 years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would think it&#039;s closer to a green-field deployment; also, I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much to bridge over or tunnel through on that route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would think it&#8217;s closer to a green-field deployment; also, I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much to bridge over or tunnel through on that route.</p>
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