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]]> By: Douglas Muir http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18011 Douglas Muir Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:56:33 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18011 Joerg: really! I did not know that. Are those tables available online? Nazis: well, sure. Similar things were seen all across the fascist bloc; in Hungary, and again in Romania, many of the most ardent fascists and other right-nationalists were either half-bloods or from border regions or both. Doug M. Joerg: really! I did not know that. Are those tables available online?

Nazis: well, sure. Similar things were seen all across the fascist bloc; in Hungary, and again in Romania, many of the most ardent fascists and other right-nationalists were either half-bloods or from border regions or both.

Doug M.

]]> By: Rich http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18010 Rich Wed, 12 Sep 2007 07:14:39 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18010 Until the Geerman invasion of the USSR, the communists in the occupied territories were prodding the workers to produce more while the underground in Belgium was busy sabotaging plants, very often by stealing or blowing up one indispesable part that was made in Germany (so as to be able to put the blame on German industry for their failure to produce Until the Geerman invasion of the USSR, the communists in the occupied territories were prodding the workers to produce more while the underground in Belgium was busy sabotaging plants, very often by stealing or blowing up one indispesable part that was made in Germany (so as to be able to put the blame on German industry for their failure to produce

]]> By: Alex Harrowell http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18009 Alex Harrowell Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:03:27 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18009 Horace Greeley? Wirklich. He was one of quite a few Nazis, and Nazi-associated personalities, who was nowhere near as German as you might think. He doesn't quite come up to Ernst Wilhelm Bohle, the head of the Nazi organisation for Germans abroad, who was born in my home town in 1900, though. Horace Greeley? Wirklich. He was one of quite a few Nazis, and Nazi-associated personalities, who was nowhere near as German as you might think. He doesn’t quite come up to Ernst Wilhelm Bohle, the head of the Nazi organisation for Germans abroad, who was born in my home town in 1900, though.

]]> By: Randy McDonald http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18006 Randy McDonald Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:37:05 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18006 "Of course, technologically Germany certainly was “essentially on a level with its two large western neighbours”. But economic inequality was significantly greater in Germany, and Tooze does a good job of conveying that fact." The actual existence of land hunger among Germany's peasantry was something I'd been unaware of. On another note, if there was any doubt in Hannah Arendt's argument that totalitarianism and genocide could trace a lineage back to colonialism, Tooze has removed it. “Of course, technologically Germany certainly was “essentially on a level with its two large western neighbours”. But economic inequality was significantly greater in Germany, and Tooze does a good job of conveying that fact.”

The actual existence of land hunger among Germany’s peasantry was something I’d been unaware of.

On another note, if there was any doubt in Hannah Arendt’s argument that totalitarianism and genocide could trace a lineage back to colonialism, Tooze has removed it.

]]> By: Jörg Wenck http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18005 Jörg Wenck Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:55:45 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18005 Maddison´s tables show German GDP per capita in 1927 at 95% that of France, then falling to 84% vis-á-vis France, reversing again, finally equaling French GDP per capita in 1935 and outgrowing it afterwards. According to Maddison, British per capita-GDP during the same period was between 20-40% higher than French GDP per capita. In the period from 1870 to 1914, German and French GDP per capita were always very close to each other - often with France being in the lead one year and Germany the next year. Of course, technologically Germany certainly was "essentially on a level with its two large western neighbours". But economic inequality was significantly greater in Germany, and Tooze does a good job of conveying that fact. Tooze´s book is the best yet on the subject that it is devoted to. Maddison´s tables show German GDP per capita in 1927 at 95% that of France, then falling to 84% vis-á-vis France, reversing again, finally equaling French GDP per capita in 1935 and outgrowing it afterwards. According to Maddison, British per capita-GDP during the same period was between 20-40% higher than French GDP per capita.

In the period from 1870 to 1914, German and French GDP per capita were always very close to each other - often with France being in the lead one year and Germany the next year.

Of course, technologically Germany certainly was “essentially on a level with its two large western neighbours”. But economic inequality was significantly greater in Germany, and Tooze does a good job of conveying that fact.

Tooze´s book is the best yet on the subject that it is devoted to.

]]> By: Douglas Muir http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18004 Douglas Muir Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:21:43 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18004 People miss this, but Germany before WWI was a poorer country than either Britain or France. It had a bigger economy than France because it had a huge population, but per capita output was still a decade or two from catching up. Then of course it never did, what with reparations, hyperinflation, the Depression and all. So, yah -- Germany in 1939 was still a step behind the Western countries economically. (Great review, BTW, Alex -- makes me want to run out and read the book. Horace Greeley? Really?) Doug M. People miss this, but Germany before WWI was a poorer country than either Britain or France. It had a bigger economy than France because it had a huge population, but per capita output was still a decade or two from catching up.

Then of course it never did, what with reparations, hyperinflation, the Depression and all.

So, yah — Germany in 1939 was still a step behind the Western countries economically.

(Great review, BTW, Alex — makes me want to run out and read the book. Horace Greeley? Really?)

Doug M.

]]> By: john somer http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18003 john somer Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:56:32 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18003 It has been claimed that Roosvelt's WPA did not end the depression but that it was the US rearmament that did the job Until the Geerman invasion of the USSR, the communists in the occupied territories were prodding the workers to produce more while the underground in Belgium was busy sabotaging plants, very often by stealing or blowing up one indispesable part that was made in Germany (so as to be able to put the blame on German industry for their failure to produce A friend of my father who was on the bombing survey commmented tha the bombing had had one unwished side effect: German women, whom Hitler had wanted to keep at home ("Kinder, küche, kirche:) were finally pushed into the labor force long after they had been doing so in the UK and the US It has been claimed that Roosvelt’s WPA did not end the depression but that it was the US rearmament that did the job
Until the Geerman invasion of the USSR, the communists in the occupied territories were prodding the workers to produce more while the underground in Belgium was busy sabotaging plants, very often by stealing or blowing up one indispesable part that was made in Germany (so as to be able to put the blame on German industry for their failure to produce
A friend of my father who was on the bombing survey commmented tha the bombing had had one unwished side effect: German women, whom Hitler had wanted to keep at home (”Kinder, küche, kirche:) were finally pushed into the labor force long after they had been doing so in the UK and the US

]]> By: Alex Harrowell http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18002 Alex Harrowell Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:10:53 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18002 Yes; one is accustomed to thinking of poverty as a motivating force in 30s Germany in terms of <em>cyclical</em> poverty, needing a good shot of Keynesianism to fix, rather than <em>structural</em> poverty compared with everywhere else in Europe..and overseas.. Yes; one is accustomed to thinking of poverty as a motivating force in 30s Germany in terms of cyclical poverty, needing a good shot of Keynesianism to fix, rather than structural poverty compared with everywhere else in Europe..and overseas..

]]> By: Randy McDonald http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/economics-and-demography/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze/#comment-18001 Randy McDonald Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:17:36 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/the-european-union/review-the-wages-of-destruction-adam-tooze#comment-18001 What surprised me most about Tooze's survey was the extent of the unfavourable gap in incomes and per capita output which existed between Germany and its various other European neighbours, particularly France and Britain but also the smaller countries of northern Europe from Belgium through to Sweden. I'd been accustomed to thinking of Germany as a country that, although behind the United States, was essentially on a level with its two large western neighbours. What surprised me most about Tooze’s survey was the extent of the unfavourable gap in incomes and per capita output which existed between Germany and its various other European neighbours, particularly France and Britain but also the smaller countries of northern Europe from Belgium through to Sweden. I’d been accustomed to thinking of Germany as a country that, although behind the United States, was essentially on a level with its two large western neighbours.

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