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		<title>By: Global Voices in Italiano &#187; La crisi finanziaria in Europa centro-orientale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices in Italiano &#187; La crisi finanziaria in Europa centro-orientale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] del FMI&#8221; c&#039;è anche la Serbia. Ecco un&#039;altra delle spiegazioni offerte da Edward Hugh [in] sul sito A Fistful of Euros: […] Diciamolo chiaramente, la Serbia non è un &#8220;caso [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] del FMI&#8221; c&#39;è anche la Serbia. Ecco un&#39;altra delle spiegazioni offerte da Edward Hugh [in] sul sito A Fistful of Euros: […] Diciamolo chiaramente, la Serbia non è un &#8220;caso [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices na srpskom &#187; Centralna i Istočna Evropa:Finansijska Kriza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices na srpskom &#187; Centralna i Istočna Evropa:Finansijska Kriza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kraju, imamo Srbiju koja se nalazi na listi ’onih kojima će MMF dati bolničku sobu.’ Evo još jedno objašnjenje Edwarda Hugh-a na Euro Pesnica (A Fistful of Euro): […] Neka bude jasno, Srbija nije ’hitan slučaj,’ kao [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kraju, imamo Srbiju koja se nalazi na listi ’onih kojima će MMF dati bolničku sobu.’ Evo još jedno objašnjenje Edwarda Hugh-a na Euro Pesnica (A Fistful of Euro): […] Neka bude jasno, Srbija nije ’hitan slučaj,’ kao [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 07:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, this morning (Friday) in Bloomberg:

&lt;em&gt;Hungary is drawing up proposals to help borrowers whose foreign currency-denominated loan payments rose as the forint weakened, Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany said.  The government is in talks with banks and will present proposals next week that will ``significantly ease&#039;&#039; the burden of borrowers, Gyurcsany said today in a public television interview. The forint has been battered along with Hungarian stocks and bonds as investors sold off riskier emerging market assets. Foreign currency borrowing by local businesses and consumers, along with slower growth and a wider budget deficit than elsewhere in eastern Europe, make the country a target, economists said.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

This is the bail-out Hungary will need, a battery of measures to help those with CHF mortgages pay-down their debt, or transfer them over to (subsidised) HUF ones. Hungary, given the fiscal straightjacket she is now in, and the very large costs of population ageing that are now about to hit simply is not able to generate the resources to make this transition alone, and that is why the IMF will have to help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, this morning (Friday) in Bloomberg:</p>
<p><em>Hungary is drawing up proposals to help borrowers whose foreign currency-denominated loan payments rose as the forint weakened, Prime Minister Ferenc Gyurcsany said.  The government is in talks with banks and will present proposals next week that will &#8220;significantly ease&#8221; the burden of borrowers, Gyurcsany said today in a public television interview. The forint has been battered along with Hungarian stocks and bonds as investors sold off riskier emerging market assets. Foreign currency borrowing by local businesses and consumers, along with slower growth and a wider budget deficit than elsewhere in eastern Europe, make the country a target, economists said.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>This is the bail-out Hungary will need, a battery of measures to help those with CHF mortgages pay-down their debt, or transfer them over to (subsidised) HUF ones. Hungary, given the fiscal straightjacket she is now in, and the very large costs of population ageing that are now about to hit simply is not able to generate the resources to make this transition alone, and that is why the IMF will have to help.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“In Hungary, private sector credit is at 62 percent of GDP, compared with 407 percent in Iceland, while short-term external debt obligations are at 112 percent of reserves, compared with 1,705 percent in Iceland.”

Yes, we absolutely agree on this. In fact I quoted this very point in a piece on my Hungary blog yesterday, a piece which was precisely to argue that Hungary&#039;s long term future looked a lot worse - unfortunately - than Iceland&#039;s (and the post is now up on this blog).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“In Hungary, private sector credit is at 62 percent of GDP, compared with 407 percent in Iceland, while short-term external debt obligations are at 112 percent of reserves, compared with 1,705 percent in Iceland.”</p>
<p>Yes, we absolutely agree on this. In fact I quoted this very point in a piece on my Hungary blog yesterday, a piece which was precisely to argue that Hungary&#8217;s long term future looked a lot worse &#8211; unfortunately &#8211; than Iceland&#8217;s (and the post is now up on this blog).</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edward Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Desmond,

&quot;With respect, I think the comments on this blog have greatly overstated Hungary’s reliance on the IMF in the current crisis. In particular, the statement in one headline that Hungary is in IMF receivership is a gross exaggeration.&quot;

Well, I guess that would be me your are talking about. Thank you for your thoughtful contribution, but forgive me if I beg to retain my point of view and differ.

I don&#039;t agree that I am overstating the very difficult situation now facing the Hungarian economy, although I do agree that the term &quot;receivership&quot; does smack a bit of poetic license (although this is after all a blog).

I do think Hungary is now in the hands of the IMF, and it could be quite a long day before it is able to come out again. I do believe there is some sort of validity in the use of the receivership term, since I do think there will have to be a default at the end of the day here, but it won&#039;t be a sovereign default, but rather a default by Hungarian households who will no longer be able to pay their Swiss Franc mortgages as the HUF fall to a more sustainable and realistic level.

Hungary now can only live by exports, and it is stupid, as it was in the case of Argentina, to try to impose a strong currency on a country which needs a rather weaker one.

As I say, I doubt there will need to be any kind of sovereign default, so it is not a normal kind of bankruptcy. The main victims of the loses incured would appear to be west europen banks like Austria&#039;s Erste Bank, Italy&#039;s Unicredit, or Belgium&#039;s KBC Group all of which have been lending heavily in Swiss Francs.

If you want more argumentation on all of this, read the mammoth post I will be putting up on Hungary tomorrow morning, or the version of it I already have up on my Hungary Economy Watch blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Desmond,</p>
<p>&#8220;With respect, I think the comments on this blog have greatly overstated Hungary’s reliance on the IMF in the current crisis. In particular, the statement in one headline that Hungary is in IMF receivership is a gross exaggeration.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I guess that would be me your are talking about. Thank you for your thoughtful contribution, but forgive me if I beg to retain my point of view and differ.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that I am overstating the very difficult situation now facing the Hungarian economy, although I do agree that the term &#8220;receivership&#8221; does smack a bit of poetic license (although this is after all a blog).</p>
<p>I do think Hungary is now in the hands of the IMF, and it could be quite a long day before it is able to come out again. I do believe there is some sort of validity in the use of the receivership term, since I do think there will have to be a default at the end of the day here, but it won&#8217;t be a sovereign default, but rather a default by Hungarian households who will no longer be able to pay their Swiss Franc mortgages as the HUF fall to a more sustainable and realistic level.</p>
<p>Hungary now can only live by exports, and it is stupid, as it was in the case of Argentina, to try to impose a strong currency on a country which needs a rather weaker one.</p>
<p>As I say, I doubt there will need to be any kind of sovereign default, so it is not a normal kind of bankruptcy. The main victims of the loses incured would appear to be west europen banks like Austria&#8217;s Erste Bank, Italy&#8217;s Unicredit, or Belgium&#8217;s KBC Group all of which have been lending heavily in Swiss Francs.</p>
<p>If you want more argumentation on all of this, read the mammoth post I will be putting up on Hungary tomorrow morning, or the version of it I already have up on my Hungary Economy Watch blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Desmond McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desmond McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect, I think the comments on this blog have greatly overstated Hungary’s reliance on the IMF in the current crisis. In particular, the statement in one headline that Hungary is in IMF receivership is a gross exaggeration. 
Hungary’s leaders decided on the weekend to get an IMF promise of assistance should it be needed. They probably thought that this was a sort of pre-emptive strike that would preclude the need for such aid, by indicating that Hungary would remain solvent come what may. If so, they were inexcusably naïve, as the Prime Minister and Finance Minister should have known that the very mention of the IMF in relation to the national economy would freak the markets out. This is what happened on Wednesday as European markets nosedived again.
Comparisons with Iceland in particular are far off the mark. As Bloomberg wrote, quoting a London analyst “In Hungary, private sector credit is at 62 percent of GDP, compared with 407 percent in Iceland, while short-term external debt obligations are at 112 percent of reserves, compared with 1,705 percent in Iceland.” Far from being overstretched, like Iceland’s, Hungary’s banks are owned by major West European banks who will not let them go under. The largest independent bank, OTP, is unusually well capitalised and probably more solid even than most Western banks. 
Most financial journalists, though, glibly link the two in their broad-perspective stories, an association that thereby enters the minds of investors, who in theory are supposed to know better. Hungary certainly has its problems, more than most, but they are of a different nature to Iceland’s. 
Hungary’s involvement with the IMF, so far, goes no further than a promise of aid, if needed. In securing that promise, the nation’s economic leaders may have made it more likely that they will need such help, precisely the opposite effect to what they intended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect, I think the comments on this blog have greatly overstated Hungary’s reliance on the IMF in the current crisis. In particular, the statement in one headline that Hungary is in IMF receivership is a gross exaggeration.<br />
Hungary’s leaders decided on the weekend to get an IMF promise of assistance should it be needed. They probably thought that this was a sort of pre-emptive strike that would preclude the need for such aid, by indicating that Hungary would remain solvent come what may. If so, they were inexcusably naïve, as the Prime Minister and Finance Minister should have known that the very mention of the IMF in relation to the national economy would freak the markets out. This is what happened on Wednesday as European markets nosedived again.<br />
Comparisons with Iceland in particular are far off the mark. As Bloomberg wrote, quoting a London analyst “In Hungary, private sector credit is at 62 percent of GDP, compared with 407 percent in Iceland, while short-term external debt obligations are at 112 percent of reserves, compared with 1,705 percent in Iceland.” Far from being overstretched, like Iceland’s, Hungary’s banks are owned by major West European banks who will not let them go under. The largest independent bank, OTP, is unusually well capitalised and probably more solid even than most Western banks.<br />
Most financial journalists, though, glibly link the two in their broad-perspective stories, an association that thereby enters the minds of investors, who in theory are supposed to know better. Hungary certainly has its problems, more than most, but they are of a different nature to Iceland’s.<br />
Hungary’s involvement with the IMF, so far, goes no further than a promise of aid, if needed. In securing that promise, the nation’s economic leaders may have made it more likely that they will need such help, precisely the opposite effect to what they intended.</p>
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