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		<title>By: Investor</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/montenegro-i-was-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-23008</link>
		<dc:creator>Investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 15:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking for an outlet to further the stories of Prva Banka, the bank partly owned by Milo Djukanovic. We have hard evidence here in the United States, as there was a court case against individuals for using a website to bilk investors of several million dollars which I believe was used by Djukanovics for the first purchase of the old bank, now owned by their family. This was a big court case in the United States, but never formally tied together. I see now the bank is becoming the subject of law suits in Europe. I need to know if you can help s report this story and perhaps open the case against them for recovery of funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for an outlet to further the stories of Prva Banka, the bank partly owned by Milo Djukanovic. We have hard evidence here in the United States, as there was a court case against individuals for using a website to bilk investors of several million dollars which I believe was used by Djukanovics for the first purchase of the old bank, now owned by their family. This was a big court case in the United States, but never formally tied together. I see now the bank is becoming the subject of law suits in Europe. I need to know if you can help s report this story and perhaps open the case against them for recovery of funds.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Montenegro: Independence, 2 1/2 Years On</title>
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		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Montenegro: Independence, 2 1/2 Years On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 20:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Fistful of Euros re-visits the issue of Montenegrin independence: &#8220;But, you know: it’s not an economic basket case. Independence was not a disaster.&#8221;  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Fistful of Euros re-visits the issue of Montenegrin independence: &#8220;But, you know: it’s not an economic basket case. Independence was not a disaster.&#8221;  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ermir Ismaili</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ermir Ismaili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Srdjan, Montenegrin politicians do visit Italian prosecutors in Bari, the destination of their traffics. The region itself has high levels of criminality, Bari being the city with the highest number of homicides, the university famous for serving as a diploma supermarket and 13 proffessors from the same family. So Mr. Muir is right on including it. After all, the title shows he is capable of admitting his errors.
 That said, there is indeed less corruption in Crna Gora than around. A Serb girl was complaining to me just last Saturday about diplomas being sold freely on Beograd streets. In Croatia, well...
http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/09/22/feature-02
Bulgaria, Romania and Greece are the top 3 EU countries with the highest number of investigations on EU-fund frauds by OLAF(2007).
We Balkanistanians do love the motto  bribe and be bribed, don&#039;t we?
I&#039;d be more worried about Montenegro turning into a Russian colony, since many of them oligarchs are buying property even where the law says otherwise. 
PS : Albania went from 105th to 85th place. Quite a jump, huh...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Srdjan, Montenegrin politicians do visit Italian prosecutors in Bari, the destination of their traffics. The region itself has high levels of criminality, Bari being the city with the highest number of homicides, the university famous for serving as a diploma supermarket and 13 proffessors from the same family. So Mr. Muir is right on including it. After all, the title shows he is capable of admitting his errors.<br />
 That said, there is indeed less corruption in Crna Gora than around. A Serb girl was complaining to me just last Saturday about diplomas being sold freely on Beograd streets. In Croatia, well&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/09/22/feature-02" rel="nofollow">http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en_GB/features/setimes/features/2008/09/22/feature-02</a><br />
Bulgaria, Romania and Greece are the top 3 EU countries with the highest number of investigations on EU-fund frauds by OLAF(2007).<br />
We Balkanistanians do love the motto  bribe and be bribed, don&#8217;t we?<br />
I&#8217;d be more worried about Montenegro turning into a Russian colony, since many of them oligarchs are buying property even where the law says otherwise.<br />
PS : Albania went from 105th to 85th place. Quite a jump, huh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 19:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new TI index just came out two weeks ago.  Funny thing is, I noticed it at the time...

Italy&#039;s not in the Balkans, but it is -- your words -- &quot;in the neighborhood&quot;.  And I can say from personal experience that Podgorica-Bari is a lot faster and easier than Podgorica-Sarajevo.

So Montenegro improved by a tenth of a point.  Wonderful!  You&#039;re now equal to India, Senegal and Madagascar.  

Of course, over the same period Albania jumped by 0.7 points -- a much more dramatic increase.  They&#039;re tied with you now.  Interesting, no?

As to &quot;intolerant of criticism&quot;, let me know when the killers of _Dan_ editor Dusko Jovanovic are convicted.  Not to mention the guys who killed Slavoljub Scekic, the cop who was investigating his case.  Or the guys who beat up author Jevrem Brkovic, sport journalist Mladen Stojovic, editor Zeljko Ivanovic, or radio journalist Tufik Softic.  

And then of course there are the lawsuits against journalists, like the ones brought by PM Djukanovic against Ivanovic and everyone else at _Vijesti_.  The court awarded Djukanovic 20,000 Euros for that.  Which is pretty amusing, since the President of the  court had his own anti-journalist lawsuit going at the same time, against Peter Komnenic of _Monitor_.

As for links to regional criminal elites... come on.  The Italian prosecutors are crazy or wrong?  The &quot;cigarette transit business&quot; was conducted without links to organized crime?  Djukanovic&#039;s brother Aco is clean? All that money in Prva Crnogorska Banka came from the Prime Minister&#039;s salary? Okay, if you say so...

Of course, Montenegro /is/ unusual in one way: unlike everyplace else in the Balkans, people trust the government:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106054/Trust-Favors-Incumbent-Montenegro-Election.aspx

Anyway.  If, in another two or three years, Montenegro is doing much better -- then sure, I&#039;ll post again about it.


Doug M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new TI index just came out two weeks ago.  Funny thing is, I noticed it at the time&#8230;</p>
<p>Italy&#8217;s not in the Balkans, but it is &#8212; your words &#8212; &#8220;in the neighborhood&#8221;.  And I can say from personal experience that Podgorica-Bari is a lot faster and easier than Podgorica-Sarajevo.</p>
<p>So Montenegro improved by a tenth of a point.  Wonderful!  You&#8217;re now equal to India, Senegal and Madagascar.  </p>
<p>Of course, over the same period Albania jumped by 0.7 points &#8212; a much more dramatic increase.  They&#8217;re tied with you now.  Interesting, no?</p>
<p>As to &#8220;intolerant of criticism&#8221;, let me know when the killers of _Dan_ editor Dusko Jovanovic are convicted.  Not to mention the guys who killed Slavoljub Scekic, the cop who was investigating his case.  Or the guys who beat up author Jevrem Brkovic, sport journalist Mladen Stojovic, editor Zeljko Ivanovic, or radio journalist Tufik Softic.  </p>
<p>And then of course there are the lawsuits against journalists, like the ones brought by PM Djukanovic against Ivanovic and everyone else at _Vijesti_.  The court awarded Djukanovic 20,000 Euros for that.  Which is pretty amusing, since the President of the  court had his own anti-journalist lawsuit going at the same time, against Peter Komnenic of _Monitor_.</p>
<p>As for links to regional criminal elites&#8230; come on.  The Italian prosecutors are crazy or wrong?  The &#8220;cigarette transit business&#8221; was conducted without links to organized crime?  Djukanovic&#8217;s brother Aco is clean? All that money in Prva Crnogorska Banka came from the Prime Minister&#8217;s salary? Okay, if you say so&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, Montenegro /is/ unusual in one way: unlike everyplace else in the Balkans, people trust the government:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/106054/Trust-Favors-Incumbent-Montenegro-Election.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.gallup.com/poll/106054/Trust-Favors-Incumbent-Montenegro-Election.aspx</a></p>
<p>Anyway.  If, in another two or three years, Montenegro is doing much better &#8212; then sure, I&#8217;ll post again about it.</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
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		<title>By: Srdjan Kusovac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srdjan Kusovac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, now is 2008. I know /you have already shown/ that you do have a problem understanding importance of timing. So, let&#039;s see the NEWSET Transparency International&#039;s data:

2008 Confidence CPI score

Croatia ________ 4.4
Romania ________ 3.8
Bulgaria _______ 3.6
Macedonia   ____ 3.6
Albania ________ 3.4
Montenegro _____ 3.4
Serbia _________ 3.4
Bosnia &amp; Herz. _ 3.2

Source: http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2008/cpi2008/cpi_2008_table

As data shows, situation in Montenegro is, as I have said, NOT WORSE than in the NEIGHBORHOOD. Corruption Perception Index is SAME (equal, equivalent, identical, adequate analogous, match, at par etc – hope you would catch the essence) as in Albania and Serbia, better then in Bosnia even very similar to index in Romania and Bulgaria – countries that are EU members.

Furthermore, processes are much important than sole indexes: Comparing last year’s index - Montenegro is up (better) 0.1, Serbia has same result, Bosnia is 0.1 down etc.

Imputation has been, for years, Montenegro enemies&#039; and Montengro independence opposers&#039; weapon.

P.S. I have mentioned Montenegro&#039;s neighbors in the Balkans. Believe or not, Italy is NOT in the Balkans; Greece, Bulgaria and Romania are not Montenegro’s neighbors. (But neighbor is Bosnia Ex Yugoslav republic which you “accidentally” missed.) Hope you do not need a hint to show Montenegro on the map. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now is 2008. I know /you have already shown/ that you do have a problem understanding importance of timing. So, let&#8217;s see the NEWSET Transparency International&#8217;s data:</p>
<p>2008 Confidence CPI score</p>
<p>Croatia ________ 4.4<br />
Romania ________ 3.8<br />
Bulgaria _______ 3.6<br />
Macedonia   ____ 3.6<br />
Albania ________ 3.4<br />
Montenegro _____ 3.4<br />
Serbia _________ 3.4<br />
Bosnia &amp; Herz. _ 3.2</p>
<p>Source: <a href="http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2008/cpi2008/cpi_2008_table" rel="nofollow">http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2008/cpi2008/cpi_2008_table</a></p>
<p>As data shows, situation in Montenegro is, as I have said, NOT WORSE than in the NEIGHBORHOOD. Corruption Perception Index is SAME (equal, equivalent, identical, adequate analogous, match, at par etc – hope you would catch the essence) as in Albania and Serbia, better then in Bosnia even very similar to index in Romania and Bulgaria – countries that are EU members.</p>
<p>Furthermore, processes are much important than sole indexes: Comparing last year’s index &#8211; Montenegro is up (better) 0.1, Serbia has same result, Bosnia is 0.1 down etc.</p>
<p>Imputation has been, for years, Montenegro enemies&#8217; and Montengro independence opposers&#8217; weapon.</p>
<p>P.S. I have mentioned Montenegro&#8217;s neighbors in the Balkans. Believe or not, Italy is NOT in the Balkans; Greece, Bulgaria and Romania are not Montenegro’s neighbors. (But neighbor is Bosnia Ex Yugoslav republic which you “accidentally” missed.) Hope you do not need a hint to show Montenegro on the map. <img src='http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Corruption in Montenegro is not worse than in other Balkan countries, it’s even, acc to the reliable Western sources, less problematic then in the neighborhood.&quot;

Really?  Let&#039;s see what our friends at Transparency International have to say.

Corruption Perception Index, 2007

Italy 5.2
Greece 4.6
Croatia 4.1
Bulgaria 4.1
Romania 3.7
Serbia 3.4
Montenegro 3.3

Montenegro is tied with Jamaica, Lesotho and Swaziland.  You do beat Albania, though.


Doug M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Corruption in Montenegro is not worse than in other Balkan countries, it’s even, acc to the reliable Western sources, less problematic then in the neighborhood.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  Let&#8217;s see what our friends at Transparency International have to say.</p>
<p>Corruption Perception Index, 2007</p>
<p>Italy 5.2<br />
Greece 4.6<br />
Croatia 4.1<br />
Bulgaria 4.1<br />
Romania 3.7<br />
Serbia 3.4<br />
Montenegro 3.3</p>
<p>Montenegro is tied with Jamaica, Lesotho and Swaziland.  You do beat Albania, though.</p>
<p>Doug M.</p>
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		<title>By: Srdjan Kusovac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srdjan Kusovac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your previous attitude obviously shows that you were a typical consumer of propaganda (even though you were object of a little bit more sophisticated one).
Unfortunately, Your third paragraph /3) While Montenegro’s government continues to be corrupt, inbred, intolerant of criticism, and deeply linked with regional criminal elites, independence has not made those things worse. Indeed, matters may have improved a little./ shows that you failed to learn from your mistakes.
I am pretty sure that in 2-3 years you will be ripe to write an article reconsidering your today’s attitude. However, I’m not sure that you will do it.
Corruption in Montenegro is not worse than in other Balkan countries, it’s even, acc to the reliable Western sources, less problematic then in the neighborhood. “Intolerance of criticism”, “deep links with regional criminal elites” etc. are unfortunately just words given without any proof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your previous attitude obviously shows that you were a typical consumer of propaganda (even though you were object of a little bit more sophisticated one).<br />
Unfortunately, Your third paragraph /3) While Montenegro’s government continues to be corrupt, inbred, intolerant of criticism, and deeply linked with regional criminal elites, independence has not made those things worse. Indeed, matters may have improved a little./ shows that you failed to learn from your mistakes.<br />
I am pretty sure that in 2-3 years you will be ripe to write an article reconsidering your today’s attitude. However, I’m not sure that you will do it.<br />
Corruption in Montenegro is not worse than in other Balkan countries, it’s even, acc to the reliable Western sources, less problematic then in the neighborhood. “Intolerance of criticism”, “deep links with regional criminal elites” etc. are unfortunately just words given without any proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Montenegro: two years later &#171; The 8th Circle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Montenegro: two years later &#171; The 8th Circle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 27, 2008 by Vitaliy    Douglas Muir, at afoe, writes am update on Montenegro after it became an independent state in [...]</description>
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