Comments on: Greece: citizenship for children of immigrants?

By: Albanische Einwanderer in Athen: Warten auf das Ende der Krise - Balkanforum

Albanische Einwanderer in Athen: Warten auf das Ende der Krise - Balkanforum — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:06:49 +0000

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By: Douglas Muir

Douglas Muir — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:17:58 +0000

Comments now closed. Thanks for playing.

Doug M.

By: mirakulous

mirakulous — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:11:50 +0000

Stop making a fool of yourself. You don’t know who I am or what I am. Clearly you deviate from the topic and personalize things cuz you’ve got nothing to say about this.
I’m not defending no nazis.Pretending you’re so against nazis doesnt mean that everything you’re saying is right, just cuz ure so against nazis.
I never claimed greece provoked WWII. Don’t put words in my mouth; I can speak myself. Once it was started though it pragmatically used it to solve a problem it had taken a stab at for a few decades before, and hadn’t completed. There were still some minorities left over after the forced assimilation and the population exchange. So this was the opportunity. Any country with the same goals would’ve done the same. So don’t feel bad about that. I’m realistic that anyone would’ve done the same, so there should be no problem admitting something that all (nongreeks) know its true.
You’re a pretty big demagogue, and you keep deviating from the topic, you keep going from extreme to extreme. Now you’re saying the “poor chams”. No one is saying they were poor cuz they suffered etc etc, but they WERE driven out (in 1 way or another) from their ancestral, native lands. And thats a reality that sooner or later even you will have to come to grips with.

By: Jussi Jalonen

Jussi Jalonen — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:10:33 +0000

Felix wrote:

So just because we cannot have absolute security, we should abolish all controls. Just because it is possible to get cancer without ever smoking, one should smoke 10 packs a day! Stupidity is truly amazing!

Nah, strawmen such as your comment are truly amazing.

But I’m sure that as an intellectual giant, you can point out where I advocated abolishing all controls on immigration, which is what you’re claiming with your analogy. Or, well, you _could_ point it out, if this thread wasn’t closing soon.

(… pardon the mistake: _this_ was my final comment.)

Cheers,

J. J.

By: Jussi Jalonen

Jussi Jalonen — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:06:30 +0000

Ajay wrote:

Jussi, I refer you to Doug’s description of “Mr Sarcasm”…

Hot damn! This is the _second time_ in a week when I fail to detect it, even though it was, in retrospect, glaringly obvious. And believe me, picking up these vibes used to be my forte. Truly, I’m getting old.

… and since Doug already gave his fatwa, this was my final comment.

Cheers,

J. J.

By: chris

chris — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:50:20 +0000

@mirakulous:
“Hmmm, killing women and children who are innocent isn’t genocide.”
No, it is not necessarily. Look up the word. Genocide means mass extermination(such as exterminate a nation). Killing a couple of innocent civilians is bad, but not genocide. Otherwise, all wars would classify as genocide, such as the Kossovo war(with much collateral damage), Iraq, Afghanistan, Gaza and so on. In all these cases innocent women and children were killed.
I could say only an Albanian who defends nazi scum could hold this view, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt: you just don’t understand the word.
And again the silly conspiracy theory “the pretext of collaboration”. Sure, like I said, Greece provoked WWII, so they could find a pretext to expell the poor Chams!

By: Felix

Felix — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:36:35 +0000

“A firm believer that it’s possible to establish some kind of a state of _absolute security_….Them’s the breaks. This is the World we’re living, and it’s always been full of risks.”
So just because we cannot have absolute security, we should abolish all controls. Just because it is possible to get cancer without ever smoking, one should smoke 10 packs a day!

Stupidity is truly amazing!

By: mirakulous

mirakulous — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:31:31 +0000

“That there were also people who possibly had no part in the acts of these gangs(except being wives, sisters, children and so on) was unfortunate, but far from a genocide.”

Hmmm, killing women and children who are innocent isn’t genocide. What a concept! Only a greek who defends expulsions is likely to hold this view. Not surprising.

“Because you tried to portray this as ‘greek genocides’”

I guess greeks killing others, arent greek genocides! My bad.

Obviously the greeks didnt work by themselves when massacring the chams. The Allied Commission turned a blind eye to expulsions everywhere during the end of the war (czech, slovakia, poland, greece, etc). And this was part of the reparation to each country. Nothing new here. You can’t shift the blame for this to the Allies. And you can’t deny that the pretext of collaboration was an exciting one that greeks just couldnt wait to use to clear their country of any remaining minorities.

By: Douglas Muir

Douglas Muir — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 13:35:20 +0000

I think we’re reaching a point of diminishing returns here, folks.

Make final comments if you have any; I’m closing this thread later today.

Doug M.

By: ajay

ajay — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 10:12:53 +0000

I’m not the slightest amazed. When the tags include “Muslims” and “immigration” in the same package, the usual suspects are guaranteed to go apeshit.

Jussi, I refer you to Doug’s description of “Mr Sarcasm”…