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	<title>Comments on: Liesl Prokop: Intellectually Dishonest</title>
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		<title>By: Harald</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/liesl-prokop-intellectually-dishonest/#comment-14504</link>
		<dc:creator>Harald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 22:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, it is pretty easy: you have to be catholic, to be member of this government, you don't neccessarily have to be literate - as I found out, when I downloaded the "original" study, and what Liesl stated, could by no means be confirmed by it.

Let's face it: Austria has become a banana republic, held hostage by clerico-fascists and real ones.

BTW: Did you read this weekend's "Standard"? Petzi Westenthaler (A.K.A. Hojac) is at it again...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, it is pretty easy: you have to be catholic, to be member of this government, you don&#8217;t neccessarily have to be literate - as I found out, when I downloaded the &#8220;original&#8221; study, and what Liesl stated, could by no means be confirmed by it.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it: Austria has become a banana republic, held hostage by clerico-fascists and real ones.</p>
<p>BTW: Did you read this weekend&#8217;s &#8220;Standard&#8221;? Petzi Westenthaler (A.K.A. Hojac) is at it again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Randy McDonald</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/liesl-prokop-intellectually-dishonest/#comment-14503</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 05:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob:

But leave it up to him to interject into a European argument about immigration with an example that villifies America.

Wasn't the Mexican state the successor state to New Spain?

In any case, what Mexico's experience proves--losing California, Texas, and New Mexico in the north, gaining Chiapas in the south--is that unclear and undefedned borders tend to be mobile, especially when motivated immigrants supported by powerful states are involved. Surprise, surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob:</p>
<p>But leave it up to him to interject into a European argument about immigration with an example that villifies America.</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t the Mexican state the successor state to New Spain?</p>
<p>In any case, what Mexico&#8217;s experience proves&#8211;losing California, Texas, and New Mexico in the north, gaining Chiapas in the south&#8211;is that unclear and undefedned borders tend to be mobile, especially when motivated immigrants supported by powerful states are involved. Surprise, surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of that quote supports what I've said.  Furthermore, Scott's narrative of Texas history is wrong.  

At the time of Mexico's independence from Spain, Texas was Spanish territory, and sparsely populated at that.  The Spanish government granted the first Anglo permits for Texas, not Mexico, via Moses Austin.  At the time of Mexican independence, Mexico was also granting permits for settlers to Texas, because no Mexican wanted to move there.  So began a competition for land and resources.  Mexico lost.  It's that simple.

The idea that a Mexican populated Texas was covertly invaded by Americans and stolen is false, as is Scott's whole 'The enemy within' blather.  But leave it up to him to interject into a European argument about immigration with an example that villifies America.  Hell, he'd of been better off using Canada as a counter example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of that quote supports what I&#8217;ve said.  Furthermore, Scott&#8217;s narrative of Texas history is wrong.  </p>
<p>At the time of Mexico&#8217;s independence from Spain, Texas was Spanish territory, and sparsely populated at that.  The Spanish government granted the first Anglo permits for Texas, not Mexico, via Moses Austin.  At the time of Mexican independence, Mexico was also granting permits for settlers to Texas, because no Mexican wanted to move there.  So began a competition for land and resources.  Mexico lost.  It&#8217;s that simple.</p>
<p>The idea that a Mexican populated Texas was covertly invaded by Americans and stolen is false, as is Scott&#8217;s whole &#8216;The enemy within&#8217; blather.  But leave it up to him to interject into a European argument about immigration with an example that villifies America.  Hell, he&#8217;d of been better off using Canada as a counter example.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 16:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So which part of that quote actually supports you?

And why do you leave links to CNN?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So which part of that quote actually supports you?</p>
<p>And why do you leave links to CNN?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 08:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course God can read.

Look, your statements are patently absurd.  The whole history of Mexico is one of 'crossing borders as immigrants' and declaring 'independence', covertly or otherwise.  Ask the Chiapas:

When Central America achieved its independence from Mexico in 1823, western Chiapas was annexed to Mexico. More of current day Chiapas was transferred after the disintegration of the Central American Federation in 1842, and the remainder of the current state taken from Guatemala in the early 1880s by President Porfirio Díaz.

So yes I can read, but as usual, you put your ignorance on display for the sake of a cheapshot at America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course God can read.</p>
<p>Look, your statements are patently absurd.  The whole history of Mexico is one of &#8216;crossing borders as immigrants&#8217; and declaring &#8216;independence&#8217;, covertly or otherwise.  Ask the Chiapas:</p>
<p>When Central America achieved its independence from Mexico in 1823, western Chiapas was annexed to Mexico. More of current day Chiapas was transferred after the disintegration of the Central American Federation in 1842, and the remainder of the current state taken from Guatemala in the early 1880s by President Porfirio Díaz.</p>
<p>So yes I can read, but as usual, you put your ignorance on display for the sake of a cheapshot at America.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Martens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Martens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 02:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, you nitwit, you have missed the entire point.  The world's full of places where people invaded and slaughtered everyone they found.  Texas, Hawaii, California - those are places where a combination of legal and illegal immigrants moved into a country, ostensibly in peace, agreed to live under its laws and sovereignty, and then overthrew and displaced the original inhabitants.  Mexicans have not, so far I know, crossed borders and, having established themselves as immigrants, declared independence and demanded to be annexed by Mexico. That was the parallel.  God, can't you read?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, you nitwit, you have missed the entire point.  The world&#8217;s full of places where people invaded and slaughtered everyone they found.  Texas, Hawaii, California - those are places where a combination of legal and illegal immigrants moved into a country, ostensibly in peace, agreed to live under its laws and sovereignty, and then overthrew and displaced the original inhabitants.  Mexicans have not, so far I know, crossed borders and, having established themselves as immigrants, declared independence and demanded to be annexed by Mexico. That was the parallel.  God, can&#8217;t you read?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 23:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hold on for what?  No one has denied those events or their purpose. Your babble is irrelevant to what I said.

Point is that Mexico is at the least as grevious an offender of native poulations as the US, hence the hilarious absurdity of Martens ignorant comments or the Mexican governments for that matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hold on for what?  No one has denied those events or their purpose. Your babble is irrelevant to what I said.</p>
<p>Point is that Mexico is at the least as grevious an offender of native poulations as the US, hence the hilarious absurdity of Martens ignorant comments or the Mexican governments for that matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course. Who can forget the sufferings of the deported on the Trail of Tears at the hands of the Mexican Federales, Santa Ana's crushing victory at Little Bighorn...hold on a second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course. Who can forget the sufferings of the deported on the Trail of Tears at the hands of the Mexican Federales, Santa Ana&#8217;s crushing victory at Little Bighorn&#8230;hold on a second.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 11:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's what I find so ironic about American fears of "Mexican irredentism" and "dhimmitude". The only people I know of to have ever acted that way are Americans.

Then you don't know much.  Mexico itself has been acting this way ever since the Conquistadores set forth on the continent.  That's the real irony.  To say nothing of the fact that illegal immigration in Mexico is a felony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I find so ironic about American fears of &#8220;Mexican irredentism&#8221; and &#8220;dhimmitude&#8221;. The only people I know of to have ever acted that way are Americans.</p>
<p>Then you don&#8217;t know much.  Mexico itself has been acting this way ever since the Conquistadores set forth on the continent.  That&#8217;s the real irony.  To say nothing of the fact that illegal immigration in Mexico is a felony.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 10:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Texas and Hawai'i formed republics. And what is the difference? Things would not be different today. We just call it selfdetermination. The Americans conquered a continent by private enterprise imperialism. And it should be noted that India did not invade Ceylon in the 19th century. The movement of population was economic in nature, not settlers for conquest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Texas and Hawai&#8217;i formed republics. And what is the difference? Things would not be different today. We just call it selfdetermination. The Americans conquered a continent by private enterprise imperialism. And it should be noted that India did not invade Ceylon in the 19th century. The movement of population was economic in nature, not settlers for conquest.</p>
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