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	<title>Comments on: Eurabia Fans: Not just stupider than you think&#8230;</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul C</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/eurabia-fans-not-just-stupider-than-you-think/#comment-20655</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 07:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Italy is going to be Al-Italia, why isn't the UK going to be Al-Easyjet? It just isn't right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Italy is going to be Al-Italia, why isn&#8217;t the UK going to be Al-Easyjet? It just isn&#8217;t right.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Zamfir</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/eurabia-fans-not-just-stupider-than-you-think/#comment-20630</link>
		<dc:creator>Great Zamfir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 09:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pesumably, the future US will be called Al-Goria. 

But please, that map was a joke, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pesumably, the future US will be called Al-Goria. </p>
<p>But please, that map was a joke, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Reid</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/eurabia-fans-not-just-stupider-than-you-think/#comment-20625</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the most insightful comment I've seen on this subject is by D.N. Nation at Sadly, No!:

"Anyway, look at that map. Russia vs. Muslims vs. USA. It’s like porn to these people."

Porn isn't even intended to be realistic.

That map, though, is a real gem.  (I particularly like the puns, the confusing inclusion of certain rivers, the reunification of Yugoslavia minus the Banat Protectorate, and the fact it manages to get Eurabia and the Russian menace into one map.)  Some of the lines are probably shaky because its creator was getting excited just by drawing it.

This post by Baron Bodissey seems to be more relevant than the one linked at Sadly, No!:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2005/09/russia-and-caliphate-sign-non.html

A telling comment by the creator:

"It's my future, and I'll have imams in Iceland if I wanna..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most insightful comment I&#8217;ve seen on this subject is by D.N. Nation at Sadly, No!:</p>
<p>&#8220;Anyway, look at that map. Russia vs. Muslims vs. USA. It’s like porn to these people.&#8221;</p>
<p>Porn isn&#8217;t even intended to be realistic.</p>
<p>That map, though, is a real gem.  (I particularly like the puns, the confusing inclusion of certain rivers, the reunification of Yugoslavia minus the Banat Protectorate, and the fact it manages to get Eurabia and the Russian menace into one map.)  Some of the lines are probably shaky because its creator was getting excited just by drawing it.</p>
<p>This post by Baron Bodissey seems to be more relevant than the one linked at Sadly, No!:</p>
<p><a href="http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2005/09/russia-and-caliphate-sign-non.html" rel="nofollow">http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2005/09/russia-and-caliphate-sign-non.html</a></p>
<p>A telling comment by the creator:</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s my future, and I&#8217;ll have imams in Iceland if I wanna&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Randy McDonald</title>
		<link>http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/culture/eurabia-fans-not-just-stupider-than-you-think/#comment-20620</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 05:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Well, that did spring to mind; but the map has the *exact inter-German border*"

They don't--they cut off part of western Thuringia with a suspiciously shaky line.

It's worse than using a Cold War-era map: they're _hand-drawing_ a fascimile. Not even cut-and-paste! I tell you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, that did spring to mind; but the map has the *exact inter-German border*&#8221;</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t&#8211;they cut off part of western Thuringia with a suspiciously shaky line.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s worse than using a Cold War-era map: they&#8217;re _hand-drawing_ a fascimile. Not even cut-and-paste! I tell you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 20:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I have to disagree on the demographics thing: so far, most evidence seem to point to a shrinking population being bad for the economy, which will slow the efforts of countries like China to develop a decent standard of living, and hurt the economies of first-world countries which will probably require some major outlays to deal with the problems of a post-petroleum transition and global warming. To deal with the global effects of economic growth and industry, we need _more_ technology and _more_ development, not less.

Of course, a shrinking population can be compensated for with immigration from still growing areas, but that is badly hampered by yahoo attitudes such as of the Eurabia crowd. I really don't see the seriously negative population growth rates in countries such as Japan or Italy as something to crow about.

(And yes, Subsaharan African growth rates are not a good thing - why can't everyone stick to a sensible 2.5 kids per couple, dagnabit? (:)} )

Bruce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I have to disagree on the demographics thing: so far, most evidence seem to point to a shrinking population being bad for the economy, which will slow the efforts of countries like China to develop a decent standard of living, and hurt the economies of first-world countries which will probably require some major outlays to deal with the problems of a post-petroleum transition and global warming. To deal with the global effects of economic growth and industry, we need _more_ technology and _more_ development, not less.</p>
<p>Of course, a shrinking population can be compensated for with immigration from still growing areas, but that is badly hampered by yahoo attitudes such as of the Eurabia crowd. I really don&#8217;t see the seriously negative population growth rates in countries such as Japan or Italy as something to crow about.</p>
<p>(And yes, Subsaharan African growth rates are not a good thing - why can&#8217;t everyone stick to a sensible 2.5 kids per couple, dagnabit? (:)} )</p>
<p>Bruce</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny's Pennies » Greetings from Al-Skandia!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny's Pennies » Greetings from Al-Skandia!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] oh-dear-God-should-I-laugh-or-cry is found at Sadly, No! by way of Fistful of Euros. It&#8217;s the halp-halp-the-scary-Muslims-are-coming-BOGGA BOGGA BOGGA-blog Gates of Vienna* who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] oh-dear-God-should-I-laugh-or-cry is found at Sadly, No! by way of Fistful of Euros. It&#8217;s the halp-halp-the-scary-Muslims-are-coming-BOGGA BOGGA BOGGA-blog Gates of Vienna* who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny's Pennies » Greetings from Al-Skandia!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny's Pennies » Greetings from Al-Skandia!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 12:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] oh-dear-God-should-I-laugh-or-cry is found at Sadly, No! by way of Fistful of Euros. It&#8217;s the halp-halp-the-scary-Muslims-are-coming-BOGGA BOGGA BOGGA-blog Gates of Vienna* who [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] oh-dear-God-should-I-laugh-or-cry is found at Sadly, No! by way of Fistful of Euros. It&#8217;s the halp-halp-the-scary-Muslims-are-coming-BOGGA BOGGA BOGGA-blog Gates of Vienna* who [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny's Pennies »</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny's Pennies »</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 11:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] oh-dear-God-should-I-laugh-or-cry is found at Sadly, No! by way of Fistful of Euros. It&#8217;s the halp-halp-the-scary-Muslims-are-coming BOGGA BOGGA BOGGA blog Gates of Vienna who [...]</description>
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		<title>By: EvilEuropean</title>
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		<dc:creator>EvilEuropean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 08:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole Eurabia narritave was never ambout demographics. It is a rather pathatic attempt to discredit European opposition to the war in Iraq and US policy in the Middle East in general. 

As sovergin democratic states, the opposition in European nations could not be dismissed as something as simple as the general public thinking the war was stupid. The US government only supports democercy in other naitons when it matchs thier own agenda. Hence, 'Europeans oppossed the the war in Iraq because they are scared of the Arabs!'. I guess the fact that Europeans have a far better idea of what WAR really is about means nothing to the armchair generals.

The stupider thing is that the rather naff narrative has taken on a life of its own and is being reproduced...feeding into a growing anti-European and isolationist agenda among some in the US. It makes sense in a way, the cold war is over so they need a new enemy....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole Eurabia narritave was never ambout demographics. It is a rather pathatic attempt to discredit European opposition to the war in Iraq and US policy in the Middle East in general. </p>
<p>As sovergin democratic states, the opposition in European nations could not be dismissed as something as simple as the general public thinking the war was stupid. The US government only supports democercy in other naitons when it matchs thier own agenda. Hence, &#8216;Europeans oppossed the the war in Iraq because they are scared of the Arabs!&#8217;. I guess the fact that Europeans have a far better idea of what WAR really is about means nothing to the armchair generals.</p>
<p>The stupider thing is that the rather naff narrative has taken on a life of its own and is being reproduced&#8230;feeding into a growing anti-European and isolationist agenda among some in the US. It makes sense in a way, the cold war is over so they need a new enemy&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: ArnaudH</title>
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		<dc:creator>ArnaudH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw "Al-Italia" is just hilarious!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw &#8220;Al-Italia&#8221; is just hilarious!</p>
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