Comments on: Art and therapy http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/art-and-therapy/ European Opinion Mon, 13 Feb 2012 07:39:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Guy http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/art-and-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-15663 Guy Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:11:05 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2652#comment-15663 Thanks for your honest answer, Rupert. That is one clear vote in favour of craftsmanship. Any more comments? Thanks for your honest answer, Rupert. That is one clear vote in favour of craftsmanship.

Any more comments?

]]> By: Rupert http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/art-and-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-15662 Rupert Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:43:17 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2652#comment-15662 Meaningful art is as concrete as beautiful women. It's all a matter of opinion. I, for one, think the piece you posted is crap. It lacks any sort of design sense and it's colors are bland. It may be therapy, it may be art, but it's not very good whatever it is. I am a practicing artist. I believe your not a real artist unless you can reproduce reality accurately. If you can and then go on to produce some abstract art, then you have all my respect, because you've done the hard part. Any fool can splash paint on a canvas and claim 'This is my representation of patriarchal oppression juxtaposed with the emotional pain of the abortion I had 10 years ago' etc., just as anyone can strum a guitar and sings their heart out. Case in point, Tracy Emin. She actually framed this and this and put them up in a gallery. The first one is horrible. My 8 year old nephew can draw better than that. And is she serious about the 2nd? 'No, No I didn't say that. I swear'? That's art? After perusing her art, and many other terrible artists, I can say that if people want therapy through art, fine, but don't subject the rest of us to it's mediocrity. Meaningful art is as concrete as beautiful women. It’s all a matter of opinion.

I, for one, think the piece you posted is crap. It lacks any sort of design sense and it’s colors are bland. It may be therapy, it may be art, but it’s not very good whatever it is.

I am a practicing artist. I believe your not a real artist unless you can reproduce reality accurately. If you can and then go on to produce some abstract art, then you have all my respect, because you’ve done the hard part.

Any fool can splash paint on a canvas and claim ‘This is my representation of patriarchal oppression juxtaposed with the emotional pain of the abortion I had 10 years ago’ etc., just as anyone can strum a guitar and sings their heart out.

Case in point, Tracy Emin. She actually framed this and this and put them up in a gallery. The first one is horrible. My 8 year old nephew can draw better than that. And is she serious about the 2nd? ‘No, No I didn’t say that. I swear’? That’s art?

After perusing her art, and many other terrible artists, I can say that if people want therapy through art, fine, but don’t subject the rest of us to it’s mediocrity.

]]> By: Guy http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/art-and-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-15661 Guy Fri, 25 Aug 2006 19:15:26 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2652#comment-15661 "Then again, that may lead to an unheard of amount of suffering-inspired male art" ROFLMAO. "Of course, suffering is an important source of meaningful art." Yes, I agree, but why should we look at "art" from a screwed-up person if we could, say, just as well watch a psychological thriller? Do we, or some of us, enjoy the art of the suffering just because we see parts of ourselves reflected and not because of any presupposed higher value that is supposedly inherent in art? If so, is love for that kind of art then no more than a mental jerk-off? What about artwork made by people who are, by medical standards, truly insane? Link: http://www.jrsm.org/cgi/content/full/94/11/595 I have seen some of that stuff, and it is awesome. One example, John the painter: http://www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/exhibitionInfo/exhibition/13626 “Then again, that may lead to an unheard of amount of suffering-inspired male art”

ROFLMAO.

“Of course, suffering is an important source of meaningful art.”

Yes, I agree, but why should we look at “art” from a screwed-up person if we could, say, just as well watch a psychological thriller?

Do we, or some of us, enjoy the art of the suffering just because we see parts of ourselves reflected and not because of any presupposed higher value that is supposedly inherent in art? If so, is love for that kind of art then no more than a mental jerk-off?

What about artwork made by people who are, by medical standards, truly insane? Link:

http://www.jrsm.org/cgi/content/full/94/11/595

I have seen some of that stuff, and it is awesome. One example, John the painter:

http://www.artfacts.net/index.php/pageType/exhibitionInfo/exhibition/13626

]]> By: Tobias http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/art-and-therapy/comment-page-1/#comment-15660 Tobias Fri, 25 Aug 2006 18:54:58 +0000 http://fistfulofeuros.net/wordpress/?p=2652#comment-15660 Of course, suffering is an important source of meaningful art. Still, as long as we're concious of the fundamental questions surrounding our existence, Camus aside, in my opinion, happiness remains a necessarily rare, probably non-concsious biological state of un-awareness. But I suppose there's a chance this kind of externalisation would not be needed as a relief in case humans were happy orgasmic Bonobos all the time. And we may be on the brink of finding out: I heard a team of doctors accidentally (they were researching devices to bridge spine ruptures) developed a device that can give women orgasms literally by pushing the button. Then again, that may lead to an unheard of amount of suffering-inspired male art ;). Of course, suffering is an important source of meaningful art. Still, as long as we’re concious of the fundamental questions surrounding our existence, Camus aside, in my opinion, happiness remains a necessarily rare, probably non-concsious biological state of un-awareness. But I suppose there’s a chance this kind of externalisation would not be needed as a relief in case humans were happy orgasmic Bonobos all the time.

And we may be on the brink of finding out: I heard a team of doctors accidentally (they were researching devices to bridge spine ruptures) developed a device that can give women orgasms literally by pushing the button. Then again, that may lead to an unheard of amount of suffering-inspired male art ;) .

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